Cassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972) joins us for a raw and resonant conversation about what it means to carry deep emotional weight while moving gently through the world. Cass, a high-energy and incredibly polite Nine, opens up about surviving childhood abuse, navigating a turbulent past marriage, and understanding the complex aspects of her unique Enneagram type with precision. We explore the paradox of a Nine who feels “too much” in a world that asks her to be less — the push-pull of wanting to merge without disappearing, of protecting others without burning out. Cass’s Enneagram journey (including strong 7 and 2 fixes) becomes a map for understanding her deep instincts to nurture, accommodate, and endure — even at great personal cost. Cass’s episode is an expression of what it means to hold both ferocity and fragility — and to choose growth anyway.


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

03:17 - Looking at the typing as a whole - 9w8 7w8 2w3 - how the fixes ‘give energy’ to the 9 core. Interpersonal positioning, reacting to and processing early trauma, not presenting the ‘real me’.

11:35 - Being triple positive, each type doesn’t want sadness. Rejection in type cuts off irritants.

16:56 - Divorce, talking about trauma with a fun ‘poppy’ energy, nature versus nurture and resiliency levels in type. (intro clip around 15:00)

22:19 - Body center ‘testing’ its own strength after past trauma, reflecting on 8’s influence on self-judgement, fluctuating between personal emotional control and porousness.

37:16 - Boondock Saints, religion, and past relationships

46:12 - 6 versus 9w8 relationship history and dynamic, 7s aversion to controlling others, speaking truth

55:11 - ‘putting on’ the bad bitch energy, taking on motherhood having mama bear energy, 9’s endurance

59:10 - understanding 2 energy, 2 fix glorified in christian culture, 9w8 sensitivity to being ‘too much’

1:17:12 - positive fantasy, parenting with rejection influences, contradicting parts of type creating inner narratives

1:26:50 - dazzling therapists without getting to the heart, self-soothing obsessions, coming to a close


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Ruth (SX/SO 9w1 973) joins us for a luminous and radical exploration of the Sexual 9's longing for union — with God, with others, and, ultimately, with herself. From an early age, Ruth’s life was shaped by profound mystical experiences: claiming Jesus at three, and at nine, encountering a vision of him entering her body — not metaphorically, but viscerally, as a wave of physical love. These moments left an imprint, becoming the compass by which she navigated the world — always reaching for a love that could hold her entire being. We explore how this early spiritual intensity tethered her to external sources of nourishment — church, relationships, ideals — while a deeper hunger for selfhood remained dormant, waiting to be reclaimed. Her story takes a sharp turn in her late 30s, when a “rude awakening” forced her to prioritize self-care and embodiment. What unfolds is a quiet revolution: the shift from merging to individuation, from numbing to sensation, from floating in spirit to landing in body.

Google Doc containing all of Ruth’s poems, art, and links; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HCMlPkNOTMyt87PAmhI36jPTIIR71PaTxFw6oYDa5A/edit?usp=sharing


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

03:20 - Unburdening the self from a narrative arch

13:07 - Self-preservation blind externalizing the body through the church

30:57 - Abandoning will and choice in areas of life

34:59 - Sexual dominant; ecstatic states causing self-abandonment

45:55 - ‘Go find your mountain’; stepping into the world with confidence

50:44 - Questioning faith, ‘the fall’ to Earth and becoming a person

1:00:50 - Building a tolerance to regulating stress

1:11:44 - Connecting with the mundane self-preservation independently

1:21:28 - Understanding the natural rhythms and life force of the body

1:39:16 - Outro


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart'

16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element

20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am'

23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe"

28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive'

36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip

47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself

52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others

55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world

61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life

01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships

01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body

01:23:04 - Outro

CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Bjarne is an SO/SP 8w9 with 3w2 and 6w7 fixes, though in this episode, he questions whether he might be a core Six. What emerges regardless is a portrait of a powerful, self-directed psyche shaped by an early awareness of exploitation, corruption, the failure of collective systems to protect the dignity of life. From political dreams as a child to his drive to awaken others to their own strength, Bjarne speaks about what it means to live with a sense of self-respect and moral propulsion. We talk about betrayal and its lasting scar: how one relational rupture cost him his emotional faith in others, replacing it with vigilance and paranoia. We also explore the engine behind his ambition, his disdain for comfort zones, and the sadness he feels watching others give up on their dreams. Despite his tough exterior, what drives him is a longing to ignite others into action and distribute his own fire so that others might reclaim their agency. This is a conversation about will, self-respect, the cost of vigilance, and the restless drive to feel truly alive.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School

https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course

https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed

https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram

https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

02:33 - What it means to ‘be excited’, decided which emotions are experienced

10:19 - Cut off from vulnerability causes inauthentic connection with others; the significance of self-betrayal

12:57 - Bjarne’s core 6 theory; ruling with anxiety. Clarifying ‘being taken advantage of’

15:23 - Corruption, weakness, and politics

16:52 - An instinctual repulsion over disrespect of life

25:31 - Social 8 helping others see their power, recognizing individual impact can be a way of carrying on legacy

29:12 - Personal peeve on people asking for reassurance

32:44 - Taking risks, not being a slave to the system

40:27 - Self-actualization and potential; 836 trifix outlook of ‘this is what you have, this is what you work with’

42:03 - Emotional impacts and processing of being betrayed

53:15 - The personal importance and societal use of ‘diplomacy’

59:08 - 8’s boundlessness of motivation and reserves of energy

1:07:12 - ‘Vivifying’ the collective, channeling energy into others’ potential

1:17:25 - Outro

CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine

Edited by Kristen Oberly

Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay

Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/

Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) returns for a third and unexpected installment. After the emotional closing of our last conversation, the relationship he spoke about fell apart, and Moses recorded this solo reflection as a final statement. It’s part post-mortem, part self-reckoning, and it is beautifully 5: heady, searching, at times heartbreakingly tender. He names where things broke down, what it showed him about his patterns, and how he’s choosing to move forward. What begins as a Five’s attempt to diagnose and understand becomes something more vulnerable: a young person figuring out how to keep their heart open after loss.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://youtube.com/@houseofenneagram⁩


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Moses Williams (SO/SP 5w6 513) is back for round two, and we dive straight into what he calls “the mortifying stuff.” We explore the dissonance of being autistic and socially wired — craving connection but feeling like a fish trying to fly. Moses speaks candidly about navigating sexual arousal alongside the fear of being seen as creepy or delusional, and what it’s like to experience intense desire as someone who’s sexual blind. He names his instinct to hide, control, and strategize, and what happens when that scaffolding starts to crack. We talk about being a triple competency type (513), the impulse to do everything alone, and the sharp suspicion that other people just get in the way. But then something unexpected happens: Moses softens. What starts as a conversation about childhood patterns and self-analysis ends in a rare emotional opening, as Moses entertains the dangerous hope that someone might actually want to stay.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

11:33 - Differentiating type 5 and autism

22:09 - Social needs and a fascination with psychology

24:44 - Moses shares personal stories relating to early forms of type structure

32:33 - Giving sexual preferences space as opposed to suppressing

42:00 - Taking responsibility for the self

47:03 - Type 5 expanding on the obsession with animals

54:54 - Social hexad displaying ‘shocking’ parts up front

59:20 - Triple competency’s reliance on self and mistrust in others

1:07:49 - The spirit of collaboration as a competency type

1:15:03 - Releasing hope hiding underneath strategy

1:31:24 - Outro

CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Moses Williams is an 18-year-old Social/Self-Pres 5w6 who is also on the autism spectrum. Moses describes growing up feeling that adults were hiding the truth, that essential information was missing, and that everyone else somehow knew how to be human in a way he didn’t. We talk about his often obsessive fascination with taboo topics—pornography, sexual deviance, violence—not to provoke, but to answer the horrifying question: “Am I stupid for not knowing this already?” He recounts a personal collapse that left him with three options: become a sanitized version of himself, disappear entirely, or dismantle and reform collective assumptions entirely. This conversation also explores intellectual separatism, the pressure to adapt to norms that feel senseless, and the slow, reluctant emergence of a heart that wants something real. This episode contains references to pornography, sexual deviance, and suicide. Listener discretion advised.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@houseofenneagram⁩


TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

02:56 - Introduction to enneagram, being a loner, interested in psychology to understand people

06:20 - Animals animals animals and being intrigued by fear

09:37 - Family background, being introduced to the internet, questioning traditional beliefs

13:17 - Stigmas around sex and sexuality, parsing through frameworks of deviancy

15:52 - Reading provocative books, fascination through frustration and not being naive, needing obsessions

22:56 - ‘Worst moment of life’, social incompetence

28:08 - Difficulty adapting, doing it ‘my way’ and making it work, “the way I do teamwork is by not working with people”

31:54 - Trying to figure out place in the world, ‘becoming sanitized’, stripping out people’s assumptions

35:35 - Power dynamics, finding compatibility

42:09 - Conceptualizing an ideal world, determinism, looking for something real

45:47 - Social relationships allow ‘getting to the heart’, loneliness and regret

50:23 - Being more competent at relationships, fear of feelings influencing self-image

58:51 - Realizing when type 5 isn’t actually talking about themselves, speaking about people in an abstraction

1:05:40 - Differing energies with self and others, divine resonating frequencies, obsessions

1:09:04 - Coming out story, viewing family as a collection of people forced to live together, “this is who I am, deal with it”

1:17:22 - Transformation of current social dynamics, ‘shutting up’, finding the people who ‘tolerate me’

1:23:22 - Differences between being on the autism spectrum and being a type 5

1:30:57 - Outro


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Julie (SP/SO 1w2 126) says being an Enneagram One is like trying to control the lightning bolt you’re riding. We talk about how her pursuit of competence — in painting, music, and even dog training — brought early success but gradually drained the joy from each pursuit. She shares what it’s like to live in a body wired for precision and pressure, and how that rigidity eventually led to serious health issues after she threw herself into an activist cause. We explore how she navigates moral complexity not through rules, but through a somatic “yes,” and how her 2-fix allows her to “see people’s souls.” Throughout the conversation, she highlights something rarely said about Ones: their sharp, absurd sense of humor that helps her stay connected to lightness and levity.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

03:04 - Julie’s journey as an artist

17:51 - Creativity and excellence as a Type 1

22:43 - 1’s rigidity in music

28:52 - Being a frustration type in the body center

31:44 - 1w2 “rightness of action”

34:18 - Type 2/2fix “tracking emotional data points”

44:08 - Casting judgment or seeing soul?

49:27 - Julie’s relationship to criticality

57:26 - Advocacy at the expense of personal health

1:00:47 - “Primordial Perfection”

1:04:43 - Detecting anxiety as a body type

1:08:23 - The humor and absurdism of 1

1:17:25 - Outro

CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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