Moses Williams is an 18-year-old Social/Self-Pres 5w6 who is also on the autism spectrum. Moses describes growing up feeling that adults were hiding the truth, that essential information was missing, and that everyone else somehow knew how to be human in a way he didn’t. We talk about his often obsessive fascination with taboo topics—pornography, sexual deviance, violence—not to provoke, but to answer the horrifying question: “Am I stupid for not knowing this already?” He recounts a personal collapse that left him with three options: become a sanitized version of himself, disappear entirely, or dismantle and reform collective assumptions entirely. This conversation also explores intellectual separatism, the pressure to adapt to norms that feel senseless, and the slow, reluctant emergence of a heart that wants something real. This episode contains references to pornography, sexual deviance, and suicide. Listener discretion advised.

LINKS

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

02:56 - Introduction to enneagram, being a loner, interested in psychology to understand people

06:20 - Animals animals animals and being intrigued by fear

09:37 - Family background, being introduced to the internet, questioning traditional beliefs

13:17 - Stigmas around sex and sexuality, parsing through frameworks of deviancy

15:52 - Reading provocative books, fascination through frustration and not being naive, needing obsessions

22:56 - ‘Worst moment of life’, social incompetence

28:08 - Difficulty adapting, doing it ‘my way’ and making it work, “the way I do teamwork is by not working with people”

31:54 - Trying to figure out place in the world, ‘becoming sanitized’, stripping out people’s assumptions

35:35 - Power dynamics, finding compatibility

42:09 - Conceptualizing an ideal world, determinism, looking for something real

45:47 - Social relationships allow ‘getting to the heart’, loneliness and regret

50:23 - Being more competent at relationships, fear of feelings influencing self-image

58:51 - Realizing when type 5 isn’t actually talking about themselves, speaking about people in an abstraction

1:05:40 - Differing energies with self and others, divine resonating frequencies, obsessions

1:09:04 - Coming out story, viewing family as a collection of people forced to live together, “this is who I am, deal with it”

1:17:22 - Transformation of current social dynamics, ‘shutting up’, finding the people who ‘tolerate me’

1:23:22 - Differences between being on the autism spectrum and being a type 5

1:30:57 - Outro


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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