Cassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972) joins us for a raw and resonant conversation about what it means to carry deep emotional weight while moving gently through the world. Cass, a high-energy and incredibly polite Nine, opens up about surviving childhood abuse, navigating a turbulent past marriage, and understanding the complex aspects of her unique Enneagram type with precision. We explore the paradox of a Nine who feels “too much” in a world that asks her to be less — the push-pull of wanting to merge without disappearing, of protecting others without burning out. Cass’s Enneagram journey (including strong 7 and 2 fixes) becomes a map for understanding her deep instincts to nurture, accommodate, and endure — even at great personal cost. Cass’s episode is an expression of what it means to hold both ferocity and fragility — and to choose growth anyway.


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

03:17 - Looking at the typing as a whole - 9w8 7w8 2w3 - how the fixes ‘give energy’ to the 9 core. Interpersonal positioning, reacting to and processing early trauma, not presenting the ‘real me’.

11:35 - Being triple positive, each type doesn’t want sadness. Rejection in type cuts off irritants.

16:56 - Divorce, talking about trauma with a fun ‘poppy’ energy, nature versus nurture and resiliency levels in type. (intro clip around 15:00)

22:19 - Body center ‘testing’ its own strength after past trauma, reflecting on 8’s influence on self-judgement, fluctuating between personal emotional control and porousness.

37:16 - Boondock Saints, religion, and past relationships

46:12 - 6 versus 9w8 relationship history and dynamic, 7s aversion to controlling others, speaking truth

55:11 - ‘putting on’ the bad bitch energy, taking on motherhood having mama bear energy, 9’s endurance

59:10 - understanding 2 energy, 2 fix glorified in christian culture, 9w8 sensitivity to being ‘too much’

1:17:12 - positive fantasy, parenting with rejection influences, contradicting parts of type creating inner narratives

1:26:50 - dazzling therapists without getting to the heart, self-soothing obsessions, coming to a close


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Ruth (SX/SO 9w1 973) joins us for a luminous and radical exploration of the Sexual 9's longing for union — with God, with others, and, ultimately, with herself. From an early age, Ruth’s life was shaped by profound mystical experiences: claiming Jesus at three, and at nine, encountering a vision of him entering her body — not metaphorically, but viscerally, as a wave of physical love. These moments left an imprint, becoming the compass by which she navigated the world — always reaching for a love that could hold her entire being. We explore how this early spiritual intensity tethered her to external sources of nourishment — church, relationships, ideals — while a deeper hunger for selfhood remained dormant, waiting to be reclaimed. Her story takes a sharp turn in her late 30s, when a “rude awakening” forced her to prioritize self-care and embodiment. What unfolds is a quiet revolution: the shift from merging to individuation, from numbing to sensation, from floating in spirit to landing in body.

Google Doc containing all of Ruth’s poems, art, and links; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HCMlPkNOTMyt87PAmhI36jPTIIR71PaTxFw6oYDa5A/edit?usp=sharing


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

03:20 - Unburdening the self from a narrative arch

13:07 - Self-preservation blind externalizing the body through the church

30:57 - Abandoning will and choice in areas of life

34:59 - Sexual dominant; ecstatic states causing self-abandonment

45:55 - ‘Go find your mountain’; stepping into the world with confidence

50:44 - Questioning faith, ‘the fall’ to Earth and becoming a person

1:00:50 - Building a tolerance to regulating stress

1:11:44 - Connecting with the mundane self-preservation independently

1:21:28 - Understanding the natural rhythms and life force of the body

1:39:16 - Outro


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart'

16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element

20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am'

23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe"

28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive'

36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip

47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself

52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others

55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world

61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life

01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships

01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body

01:23:04 - Outro

CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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