I’m so excited to welcome Katherine Golub to the podcast today. Katherine and I have so much in common–not only our journeys of breaking free from good girl rules, but also our commitment to community organizing and social change. She is a coach for leaders and activists who want to continue showing up for their communities without burning out. In this conversation, we explore the polarity between personal and collective needs, and how radical discernment can help you step into the life you want. Here’s what we cover:

• Why we have to choose to take care of our needs before we can do so
• The definition of radical discernment and how it helps balance personal and collective care
• What resonance actually looks like and how it can help when you're overwhelmed
• The importance of only focusing on the next right thing
• How curiosity can help when it’s difficult to imagine what you want

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https://callingsandcourage.com/

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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In this conversation, I’m joined by the author of Sovereign, hypnotist, and fellow ex-Mormon, Michaelann Gardner. Sovereign explores chronic pain, marriage, and faith in a way that connects to the experiences and stories of so many women—even those who don’t share the same religious background. It’s about sex, disordered eating, and divorce, but it’s also about finding your desire and allowing it to guide you into a promised land that may look different from what you imagined. Here’s what we cover:

• How the story of Adam and Eve became a framework to explore ideas about faith, bodies, and reconciliation
• How the wisdom of desire can act as a powerful guide if we trust it to lead us
• The reawakening of hunger and desire as a catalyst for telling the truth to ourselves and others
• How cultural conditioning impacts the way both men and women show up in marriage and sex
• The disconnect between the church’s view of sex as “sacred” and the lived experience of sex
• How the pain of disconnection and dishonesty manifests in the bodies

Find Michaelann here:

https://michaelanngardner.com/

https://www.instagram.com/michaelann.gardner

https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Michaelann-Gardner/dp/1961471175

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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In the self-help space, it’s easy to assume someone else has it all together. The truth is, nobody does. While I have some answers—and I certainly can provide help to stop people-pleasing—I’m still learning, too. Today, I’m sharing recent changes and insights from my own life to offer an honest look at the messy, yet beautiful, journey of healing—and to remind you that joy, grief, and desire can all coexist. Here’s what I cover:

• How religious scriptures shaped my beliefs about worthiness–and how I’ve grown into a deeper sense of connection
• Why rest, joy, pleasure, and loving your f*cking life are powerful acts of resistance
• Why I stepped away from social media and how it has allowed me to show up more fully in my life
• How retreating to my love of fiction provided me with a soul-deep relief
• How I have become more fully present in my body and my power through pleasure
• How I learned that “Am I enough?” was never the right question to ask

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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I hear people use the word “stuck” all the time to describe problems or situations, but what does it really mean? You might feel stuck in a relationship you want to change but don’t know how, or caught in a pattern you keep repeating even when it no longer feels good. I’ve been reflecting on what it really means to be stuck—not just to understand it better, but to find language and tools that actually help. In this episode, I’m sharing what I’ve discovered to offer you deeper context around the feeling of being stuck and what you can do about it. Here’s what I cover:

• Why feeling stuck in people-pleasing isn’t your fault
• How feeling stuck in one area can have a big impact on your life overall
• The insight from Esther Perel that shaped my thinking on this topic
• Why stuck systems have all stability and no change and what we need instead
• The key to change: teaching your parts that it’s safe to feel a little unsafe
• How to begin experimenting with authenticity in small, safe ways

Find Sara here:

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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Living with ADHD means it doesn’t disappear once you find success–you can be kind, loving, respectful and still show up with your ADHD when you connect with yourself and take accountability. Today, I’m bringing you a conversation from the I Have ADHD podcast, where I was interviewed by Kristen Carder. We talk about my journey of being diagnosed with ADHD in midlife, the relationship between neurodivergence and people-pleasing, and how I became an ex-good girl. Here’s what we cover:

• How “ADHD brain” can impact your life even when you have good intentions
• How my ADHD diagnosis later in life brought both clarity and grief
• My approach to seeking help managing perimenopause
• Why self-abandonment is at the heart of people-pleasing
• What it truly means to be an ex-good girl and how to reclaim your voice

Find Kristen here:

https://ihaveadhd.com/

https://ihaveadhd.com/podcast/

https://www.instagram.com/i.have.adhd.podcast/

https://www.facebook.com/ihaveadhdpodcast

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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As women, we receive so much messaging about how big our lives are allowed to be. Whether it’s patriarchy, childhood conditioning, or the communities we’re part of, many women learn that being convenient, optimistic, and helpful makes them lovable. Even though it isn’t true, that influence often keeps us from living our lives in a bigger way. In this episode, we explore the signs that your life is too small for you and how you can start to live a life that’s as honest and expressive as you want. Here's what I cover:

• How to recognize when your life has become too small by how your body feels
• The most common signs that you're ready to take your life to the next level
• Why your dreams feeling impossible or selfish is a signal that you’re ready for change
• How resentment and irritation can show up under the surface when you feel stuck in a small life
• How emotional suppression can lead to real issues that affect women’s health
• An example of how my life changed when I learned how to say what needed to be said

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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Last week, I shared an interactive episode about people-pleasing and lying—today, we’re continuing the conversation. In this episode, I offer an approach that is based not on the morality of telling the truth, but on your values and human need for safety. We’ll take a deeper look at why we lie, the hidden costs it can have in our relationships, and how you can be more truthful in safe, selective places to foster connection to yourself and others. Here’s what I cover:

• How good-girl programming wires us to lie in order to please and avoid conflict
• The huge role that the nervous system plays in why we lie
• When lying can still be a necessary and useful tool
• How we separate children from the truth of their bodies and punish them for honesty
• Why protecting yourself is not the same as deceiving someone else
• How to build more honesty in your life one relationship at a time

Find Sara here:

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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Lying is such an interesting topic—and after working with many women who feel stuck in patterns of people-pleasing, I’ve learned that lying and truth-telling are far more complex than they may seem. I’m not talking about lies meant to cause harm, but the everyday ones we tell to keep ourselves safe and comfortable: saying we’re fine when we’re not, or yes when we mean no. In this interactive episode, I’m introducing the framework I’ll be using to explore this topic and offering reflections to help you understand your patterns around people-pleasing and lying. Here’s what I cover:

• Why lying is not a character flaw of people-pleasers, but a survival strategy
• How childhood experiences influence our beliefs and behaviors around truth
• How lying creates a disconnect in our relationships—with ourselves and others
• Why telling the truth requires internal safety and nervous system regulation
• Reflection questions to help you notice why you may choose to lie in certain situations

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Find Sara here:

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What happens inside the free Stop People Pleasing Facebook Community? Our goal is to provide help and guidance on your journey to eliminate people pleasing and perfectionism from your life. We heal best in a safe community where we can grow and learn together and celebrate and encourage each other. This group is for posting questions about or experiences with material learned in The Ex-Good Girl podcast, Sara Fisk Coaching social media posts or the free webinars and trainings provided by Sara Fisk Coaching. See you inside!

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