The duo reminisces about their childhood pets, Sylvia talks about her chinchilla and Korean squirrels to an octopus named Octavio who mysteriously followed her during Mediterranean swims, forging an unforgettable bond. The episode delves into the comforting and steadfast presence of animals in their lives, contrasting the reliability of pets with the complexities of human relationships. Sylvia also opens up about her time at Swiss boarding schools, these prestigious schools, attended by royalty and celebrities, shaped her development and even inspired her book Ela Green and the Kingdom of Abud.

The team dives into Robert Greif’s business activities, which appear linked to international intrigue. They explore his involvement in infrastructure projects across Latin America, connections to a Dominican coup, CIA entanglements, and his role as a middleman in high-stakes deals, as evidenced by Swiss diplomatic documents. The conversation shifts to Maria and uncovering her tragic history of illegal abortions in the 1950s, her inability to conceive afterward, and Sylvia’s subsequent adoption.

Looking ahead, the team outlines their plans for an international journey to France, Switzerland, Spain, and potentially Portugal. The episode ends with anticipation for future revelations, including interviews with eyewitnesses and deeper dives into Sylvia’s family’s mysterious legacy.

Sylvia and Michel delve into the complexities of writing a historically accurate script about Sylvia's mother's role in World War II-era espionage. They explore the fine line between creativity and historical truth, using events like the 1938 Evian Conference as a case study. The conversation turns to the societal constraints women faced in the 1930s, including limitations on work and pay, and how these factors shape the characters' actions and appearances in the script. They also discuss the evolution of women’s rights and gender equality in modern times, while acknowledging ongoing challenges.

The hosts share personal stories about Sylvia’s mother’s rebellious spirit, and independent character, describing her as a "badass" figure in history. The discussion shifts to how her highly organized and disciplined Swiss upbringing, makes it difficult for Sylvia to imagine her mother stepping outside these boundaries. They explore the theme of love and relationships in the context of espionage, focusing on the romantic letters between Sylvia's mother and Thilo Von Trotha, a German soldier. While Sylvia initially struggled with the intimacy of the letters, she eventually reflected on the profound connection between Thilo and her mother, concluding that there was genuine love, even though their relationship did not have a fairytale ending.