On this episode of The Defense Unicorns Podcast, we’re not just talking about writing code—we’re talking about what happens when you try to change the culture of software inside the Department of Defense. From flying to Qatar to debug mission-critical planning tools to reflashing smart lightbulbs with open-source firmware, Wayne Starr has done it all. Host Rebecca Lively sits down with Wayne, a Unicorn Engineer at Defense Unicorns, to unpack what it takes to deliver secure, user-centered software in one of the world’s most complex environments.

Wayne shares how his early career at DIU “ruined” him—in the best possible way—by showing what was possible when bureaucratic blockers are set aside and software teams are trusted to deliver. He dives into real DevSecOps wins and war stories, including a mission-planning app that saved hours of planner time and real dollars in fuel. Along the way, he reflects on the absurdity of battles over office headsets, the power of printing MP3s on paper, and how open source gives individuals more control over their technology.

If you’ve ever tried to navigate the maze of government compliance, or if you’re just wondering what DevSecOps looks like when it’s done right, Wayne’s story offers a rare behind-the-scenes look. From tactical impact to philosophical reflections, this conversation covers what it means to ship software that matters—and why knowing the rules better than anyone else is sometimes the only way to change the game.

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“  I want to control technology. I don't want technology to control me. If it's closed-source software, it could suddenly require a subscription at some point, it could be connected to the cloud, and who knows what's happening with the data, who knows where that's going. And so I try to pull as much back as I can to things that I can control and that I can monitor and use.”

• Wayne Starr

Time Stamps:

(00:49) First Assignment at Defense Innovation Unit

(04:28) Skepticism and Acceptance from Users

(12:16) Open Source Software Journey

(29:55) Creating ZARF

(39:23) Other Notable Open Source Projects: Pepper and Lula

(43:31) Lightning Round

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