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What’s it like to live a double life for decades—and keep your faith intact? This week Jeff and Carollynn host one of the most jaw-dropping interviews yet with retired FBI Special Agent Scott Payne.

With 28 years in law enforcement (including 23 in the FBI), Scott shares unfiltered stories from his time infiltrating outlaw motorcycle gangs, white supremacist groups, and murder-for-hire rings. It’s a raw, riveting conversation about loyalty, spiritual warfare, and the toll undercover work takes on the soul. From violence and betrayal to brotherhood and grace, this episode is a ride you won’t forget.

🎯 Topics Covered:

• How Scott became “Pale Horse” and infiltrated America’s most dangerous circles
• The spiritual cost of living undercover—and how faith helped him survive
• PTSD, marriage, and the emotional fallout of undercover work
• Why the first responder community is in crisis, and what Scott’s doing about it
• A powerful conversation on redemption, brotherhood, and mental health

Guest Scott Payne:

Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent with 28 years of experience investigating high-risk cases involving drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorism. He served as a SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and undercover operations trainer. Known for his calm intensity and deep faith, Scott now speaks and writes about the tension between justice and grace. He lives in the Southeast with his wife, two daughters, and a couple of loyal dogs.

🔗 SOCIAL LINKS
🐦 X (Twitter): @Scott_D_Payne
📸 Instagram: @scottpaynebigcountry
💼 LinkedIn: Scott Payne on LinkedIn

📚 SCOTT'S BOOK:
Code Name: Pale Horse : How I went Undercover To Expose America's Nazis by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard
🔗 Simon & Schuster Book Link

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What happens when two globally recognized artists walk away from the spotlight to find peace, purpose, and each other?

In this episode of Who Gave Jeff Allen a Podcast?, Jeff and Carollynn sit down with Rebecca St. James—Grammy-winning Christian music icon—and her husband Cubbie Fink, founding member of Foster the People. Together, they open up about burnout, identity, fame, healing from trauma, the beauty of unconditional love, and what it really means to follow God when the lights go out.

From stories behind Unsung Hero, the new film about Rebecca’s family, to Cubbie’s raw testimony of finding freedom after childhood trauma, this episode is powerful, funny, honest—and deeply moving.

🎙️ In This Episode:
✅ Why Rebecca walked away from music—and how God brought her back
✅ The night Cubbie gave his life to Jesus… and the vision that followed
✅ Behind-the-scenes moments from Unsung Hero (including what’s real and what’s “creative license”)
✅ Honest talk about parenting, therapy, and the fear of never being enough
✅ The moment Jeff’s credit cards got declined—right after being recognized in public

This one’s full of laughter, love, and the kind of faith that’s forged in the fire.

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This week, Jeff and Carollynn welcome investigator and Anti-Predator Project co-founder Trent Steele for a powerful conversation about human trafficking in America. With deep insight from years of frontline experience, Trent shares how trafficking really happens, the surprising ways victims are lured, and what law enforcement and nonprofits are doing to rescue and restore lives.

From gut-wrenching rescue stories to the invisible chains that keep people trapped, this episode is emotional, eye-opening, and deeply hopeful. You'll also hear how Jeff and Trent first connected—and why this mission matters so much to Jeff’s comedy tour.

Warning: This episode discusses topics that may be emotionally intense, including human trafficking and exploitation. Listener discretion is advised.

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