The Netherlands feels familiar to people because so many people speak English, and there are a lot of things from American culture that come from Dutch culture – Jana

The real question that everyone needs to ask themselves is, what do you want your life to look like? What kind of a country do you want to live in, and what kind of a country do you want your kids to live in? – Bethany

Useful Resources

• The We're Moving to Europe Membership Community: Practical Support and Guidance for Planning your Move from the US to Europe
• We’re Moving to Europe Free Substack
• Jana's Resource Facebook
• GTFO Tours
• Netherlands Immigration and Naturalization Service (IND)
• Funda (house hunting platform)

Production Team
Host and Researcher: Casey Kelly-Barton – We’re Moving to Europe

Producer and Editor: Magdalena Laas – Unscripted Creatives

[0:03] Introduction to the We’re Moving to Europe Community
[1:47] Welcome to the Episode
[2:18] Meet Bethany and Jana of GTFO Tours
[2:40] Their Backgrounds and How They Met
[3:52] Why They Chose to Move to the Netherlands
[4:52] Starting GTFO Tours and What It Offers
[6:20] Early Success and Tour Launch
[6:38] Why Americans Are Attracted to the Netherlands
[7:37] What Is the DAFT Visa and How It Works
[10:27] Income, Freelancing, and Family Considerations
[12:13] Entrepreneur Visas vs. DAFT
[14:06] Dual Strategy for Spouses and Work Options
[15:09] The Housing Challenge in the Netherlands
[16:32] Schooling, Taxes, and Administrative Hurdles
[17:54] 30% Tax Ruling and Planning Ahead
[18:56] The Bureaucracy of Moving and Starting Over
[19:25] Keeping US Jobs and Managing Time Zones
[21:08] The Reality of the Dutch Housing Market
[22:56] Misconceptions About Rent and Pitching Yourself
[23:44] Budgeting and the Role of a Makelaar
[25:07] How Bethany Found Her Apartment
[26:02] Alternatives to Living in Amsterdam
[27:35] Picking Cities Based on Lifestyle and Needs
[28:53] The Housing Crisis vs. the US Context
[30:15] Reasonable Timelines for Moving
[31:57] How Complexity Affects Your Timeline
[33:07] Downsizing and the Cost of Moving Furniture
[34:12] Don't Wait Too Long to Move
[35:24] Life Vision and Family Considerations
[36:01] Debt, Financial Mindsets, and Cultural Differences
[37:23] Building Community in the Netherlands
[38:02] How to Make Connections as an Expat
[40:24] Surprising Benefits of Living in the Netherlands
[41:51] Bethany on Dating and Emotional Balance
[42:58] Closing Remarks and Where to Find More Info
[43:34] Outro and Credits

Sound Library
All the music was composed especially for the We’re Moving to Europe podcast by Sage Barton. Copyright 2025, Sage Barton.

What’s it like starting a new life in the Balkans as an American, and then dealing with sudden tragedy in an unfamiliar place? In this episode, author Chanoa Inez shares her experiences living in Montenegro and Serbia, why she still loves Montenegro, and how she rebuilt her life.

Useful Resources
Dream on: How to Create the New Life of Your Dreams after Upheaval or Loss (Book)
Chanoa Inez (LinkedIn)
We’re Moving to Europe (Substack)
European-wide emergency number: 112
Where are U app (identifies caller's exact location in an emergency)
US Department of State issues travel alerts and warnings if you enroll into its Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP)

[00:26] Introduction to the podcast and host Casey Kelly

[00:57] Guest introduction: Chanoa Inez, author and marketing strategist

[01:21] Chanoa’s move to Montenegro and how it came about

[04:22] A tragic turning point: sudden loss of her partner

[06:17] Why Chanoa chose to stay in Europe and her dual life in Serbia and Montenegro

[07:52] Learning Serbo-Croat and choosing Serbia vs Montenegro

[10:46] Returning to the U.S. and the pull of Los Angeles

[12:24] Realizing the long-term impact of grief and trauma
[15:58] The deliberate journey of healing and personal transformation

[17:00] Childhood-rooted limiting beliefs and perfectionism

[19:05] Core message of the book Dream On and who it's for

[22:00] Language learning advice for prospective expats

[24:28] Why integrating with locals matters abroad
[25:16] How to prepare for emergencies while living overseas

[26:53] U.S. State Department travel alerts and embassy support
[29:03] Life in Montenegro: natural beauty, lifestyle, and international appeal

[32:52] Final message for those facing grief, anxiety, or transition

[34:50] Thank you and where to find Chanoa’s book

[35:27] Closing credits and Substack mention

Sound Library
All the music was composed especially for the We’re Moving to Europe podcast by Sage Barton. Copyright 2025, Sage Barton.

Social media and the web are full of useful information for Americans who are considering a move to Europe. But they’re also full of outdated, incomplete, and outright bad information that can steer you wrong on a life-changing decision.

Behavioral analyst and educator Dr. Jennifer Weber shares her recommendations on how we can examine the information we find online and figure out if we can trust it.

Useful Resources
We’re Moving to Europe (Substack)

Dr. Jennifer Weber (Substack)

KIT Educational Consulting

Production Team
Host and Researcher: Casey Kelly-Barton – We’re Moving to Europe

Producer and Editor: Magdalena Laas – Unscripted Creatives

[00:00] Intro & Community Announcement

[01:14] Welcome to the Podcast

[01:46] Introducing Dr. Jennifer Weber

[02:20] Dr. Webber’s Background in Behavior Analysis

[03:11] Systems Thinking in Education

[04:06] Why She Started Writing on Substack

[04:29] Social Media's Impact on Thinking

[05:29] The Double-Edged Sword of Social Media

[06:35] How Social Media Shapes Engagement

[07:18] How to Check Ourselves Online

[08:12] Why Slowing Down Matters

[09:07] Media Silos & Losing Context

[10:16] Portugal Example & Public Reaction

[10:49] Breaking Out of the Silo Mentality

[12:09] Repetition vs. Evidence

[13:12] Three Critical Questions to Ask

[14:20] Critical Thinking & Mental Comfort

[15:13] Interrupting the Behavior Loop

[16:11] Algorithmic Influence and Personal Responsibility

[17:14] Learning How to Think in a Digital World

[18:28] Decoupling Emotion from Information

[19:05] Understanding the Function of Information

[19:45] Evaluating Data vs. Anecdotes

[21:24] How to Use Anecdotes Constructively

[22:59] Starting with Two Sources

[23:55] Misconceptions Around Sourcing

[24:49] Why Google or ChatGPT Aren’t Enough

[26:00] Teaching Better Research Habits

[27:11] Top Search Results vs. Quality

[28:09] Applying These Skills Across Life

[28:35] Dr. Weber’s Upcoming Course

[30:07] Summary of Key Takeaways

[31:11] Start Small, Build Better Habits

[32:13] Empowerment Through Verification

[32:54] Final Thanks & Closing

[33:27] Outro & Credits

Sound Library
All the music was composed especially for the We’re Moving to Europe podcast by Sage Barton. Copyright 2025, Sage Barton.