Leadership is evolving in real time with the rapid rise of AI. In this episode, Chris Walker joins Omar Khateeb to explore the seismic shift from the Information Era to the Frequency Era—and why the next generation of leaders will be measured not by what they know, but by the energy they transmit.

Drawing from Chris’s own transformation—from building and exiting Refine Labs to launching ENCODED—he unpacks how leadership, performance, and fulfillment are moving beyond IQ and EQ into a new dimension: Frequency.

Together, they explore:

• The leap from IQ (knowledge) → EQ (emotional intelligence) → Frequency as the ultimate measure of leadership value

• Why a leader’s internal state and frequency inevitably shapes team performance

• Discipline as identity alignment, not willpower, and why most resolutions fail without this shift

• How to audit habits, beliefs, and relationships to unlock transformation

• The collapse of middle management and rise of high-frequency leadership

• Why future communities will organize around frequency rather than status or wealth

Whether you’re leading a team, building a company, or pursuing personal mastery, this conversation offers a roadmap for thriving in the Frequency Era where the greatest advantage you can develop is the energy you embody.

Leadership is evolving in real-time with the rapid evolution and application of AI.
In this episode, Chris Walker joins Garrath Robinson to explore the seismic shift from the Information Era to the Frequency Era and why the next generation of great leaders will be measured not by what they know, but by the energy they transmit.

Drawing from his own transformation, from building and exiting Refine Labs to launching his new venture ENCODED, Chris unpacks how leadership, performance, and fulfillment are evolving beyond IQ and EQ into a new dimension.

Together, they explore:

• The societal leap from IQ (knowledge) → EQ (emotional intelligence) → Frequency as the defining measure of value in life and leadership

• Why a leader’s internal state and frequency inevitably shapes their team’s performance

• Discipline as identity alignment, not willpower, and why most resolutions fail without this shift

• How to audit habits, beliefs, and relationships to unlock personal transformation

• The collapse of middle management and the rise of directly engaged, high-frequency leadership

• Why future communities will organize around frequency rather than status, wealth, race, or background

Whether you’re leading a team, building a company, or pursuing personal mastery, this conversation offers a roadmap for thriving in the Frequency Era—where the greatest advantage you can develop is the energy you bring into every room.

It’s the end of an era.

In this episode, Chris Walker officially announces his exit from Refine Labs through a secondary stock transaction. In an expansive and introspective conversation, he reflects on the full journey of building (and exiting) the company, offering hard-won insights and timeless lessons for entrepreneurs at every stage.

Together, they explore:

• The explosive (and turbulent) growth journey: $3K → $21M ARR in just 3 years

• The content playbook that launched Refine Labs and redefined B2B marketing strategy

• Why detaching your self-worth from business success may be the most liberating thing you ever do

• Chris’s personal evolution through journaling, frequency imprinting, and intuitive decision-making

• The Frequency Map — a framework for identifying and upgrading your internal state

• The vision for ENCODED — a new system to elevate your frequency and design a life of clarity, purpose, and freedom

Whether you’re building something new, navigating burnout, or simply ready for deeper alignment, this episode delivers grounded wisdom, tactical insight, and visionary energy for your journey.