Mona and Courtney chat about slow-burn careers, leveling up, community, and the importance of learning to edit your own work with David Goodman, author of A Reluctant Spy.

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Mona & Courtney check in about their failure to launch this podcast on their original timeline, what their writing lives have been like this year, and more.

Transcripts here!

Find Mona online at mona-west.com, and read her Apex story, "YOU and ME and THE END" here!

Find Courtney and learn more about her debut fantasy novel, HIGHER MAGIC, at courtney-floyd.com. If you're interested, consider adding it to your want to read lists on Goodreads or StoryGraph!

Mona West and Courtney Floyd chat with guest Zohar Jacobs about the particular failures that can follow early success, submission strategies, the ladder of sadness, and more. Transcripts here!

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Hosts Mona West and Courtney Floyd kick off the podcast by interviewing each other about rejection, failure, and coping mechanisms.

Transcripts here!

Find Mona online at mona-west.com. Find Courtney at courtney-floyd.com.

And find an amazing, free tool for submitting stories and tracking rejections at The Grinder (aka the Submission Grinder).