Send us a text

What’s it like to live a double life for decades—and keep your faith intact? This week Jeff and Carollynn host one of the most jaw-dropping interviews yet with retired FBI Special Agent Scott Payne.

With 28 years in law enforcement (including 23 in the FBI), Scott shares unfiltered stories from his time infiltrating outlaw motorcycle gangs, white supremacist groups, and murder-for-hire rings. It’s a raw, riveting conversation about loyalty, spiritual warfare, and the toll undercover work takes on the soul. From violence and betrayal to brotherhood and grace, this episode is a ride you won’t forget.

🎯 Topics Covered:

• How Scott became “Pale Horse” and infiltrated America’s most dangerous circles
• The spiritual cost of living undercover—and how faith helped him survive
• PTSD, marriage, and the emotional fallout of undercover work
• Why the first responder community is in crisis, and what Scott’s doing about it
• A powerful conversation on redemption, brotherhood, and mental health

Guest Scott Payne:

Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent with 28 years of experience investigating high-risk cases involving drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorism. He served as a SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and undercover operations trainer. Known for his calm intensity and deep faith, Scott now speaks and writes about the tension between justice and grace. He lives in the Southeast with his wife, two daughters, and a couple of loyal dogs.

🔗 SOCIAL LINKS
🐦 X (Twitter): @Scott_D_Payne
📸 Instagram: @scottpaynebigcountry
💼 LinkedIn: Scott Payne on LinkedIn

📚 SCOTT'S BOOK:
Code Name: Pale Horse : How I went Undercover To Expose America's Nazis by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard
🔗 Simon & Schuster Book Link

Join us for Jeff Allen’s Celebrity Golf Classic, a two-day event packed with comedy, camaraderie, and a whole lot of competition, all for a great cause. June 29th - 30th at Westhaven Golf Club

Your ticket includes: Dinner reception + comedy show and full tournament play. Open to golfers of all skill levels and ages.

Bring your swing, your sense of humor, and your heart for a good cause.

To find out more, head over to jeffallencomedy.com

Support the show

If you love Who Gave Jeff Allen a Podcast?, consider supporting the show! Your contributions help us keep the mics on, the jokes rolling, and the guests coming.

With your support, we can:
✅ Bring on more amazing guests
✅ Improve production quality (so Jeff stops blaming the tech guy)
✅ Keep delivering the humor, insight, and occasional deep thoughts you love

Every little bit helps, and we truly appreciate our listeners who partner with us to make this podcast possible.

💡 Want to chip in? Click below to support the show!
👉 https://www.buzzsprout.com/2448062/support