The Journey Podcast 165
James Day
THE FRAUD OF TURIN and The Passion of Jesus Christ

Publisher R. A. “Kris” Millegan speaks with James Day, whose new book, THE FRAUD OF TURIN, reviews the evidence for a medieval creation of the world's most famous religious artifact, the Shroud of Turin, and it shows how all-consuming the Passion of Jesus Christ was to the medieval mind. James’ other books include THE MAD BISHOPS: The Hunt for Earl Anglin James and His Assassin Brethren, about the peddler of phony degrees who built a network of contacts that led to the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK.

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THE MAD BISHOPS shows through the JFK assassination story that there’s not one big evil out there. Many different people are running around with different agendas. Sometimes they come together to work together on different things [and sometimes they compete and fight, and they can be used by intelligence agents and others to accomplish things unknown to the participants].

James was asked to prove that the Shroud of Turin was created by Jesus’ resurrection. He found evidence to the contrary. “The hate mail has already started, even before the book came out officially.”

The JFK assassination and the Shroud both have people saying, “This is how it was done, or this is who did it.” In both cases you’re dealing with religious institutions and chivalric orders. James has continued to put out research and commentary on the Kennedy assassination. (See his work here, JamesFDay.Medium.com.

There’s a tradition of putting Christ’s face on cloth and imagery and icons. In the 1980s three different labs with the approval of the Church carbon dated a piece of the Shroud. All three studies produced a range between 1260 and 1390 AD as the date of the cloth, which corresponds with the historical record of when the Shroud appeared in late Fourteenth Century France. That closed the case in some ways for many secular authorities.

In James’ Catholic experience in grade school, high school, college, and graduate school in Catholic schools, the Shroud was not dealt with. “To this day the Church does not have a formal opinion on the Shroud of Turin. It is housed in the cathedral of Turin, and it is brought out every once in a while, which helps its aura of wonder [that it is shown infrequently]. But it’s officially declared an icon, not a relic.”

A relic is something tangible from Jerusalem, from the apostles, or from the saints. An icon is something that East and West Christianity adopted and respect as something that the believer gazes on as a devotion, or something that brings them closer to the divine. And that’s what the Church encourages the Shroud to be seen as, something to gaze upon and inspire one to think about Jesus’ whole purpose and the way of the cross.

To many Catholics, the Shroud isn’t going away. There is a whole school of apologists peddling the Shroud as authentic [as being created by the resurrection in the First Century] despite the carbon-14 dating, asserting that there was an error in those tests and the Shroud proves the truth of Christianity.

James set out to find the truth. He found that its apologists say a lot about the Shroud but not about the world of the Shroud, not about the medieval mind that was consumed with the image of Christ. People in the 1300s declared it to be a fake.

First Century studies, the century before and the century after Christ, are fascinating. Many now say, “Christ never lived. It was a story made up to get people behind the Romans.” Kris, through research, is satisfied that Jesus was an actual historical figure, and Kris always liked Albert Schweitzer and thought his research and questionings were very good.

TrineDay’s The Journey Podcast 164. John Barbour, Part Two: Harris, Trump, and The Debate

Publisher R. A. “Kris” Millegan speaks with John Barbour, actor, comic, veteran of THE TONIGHT SHOW and Las Vegas,

“The Godfather of Reality TV,” creator, co-host and writer of the hit show, REAL PEOPLE, five-time Emmy-winner, celebrated movie critic for years in L.A.,

Writer and director of the award-winning THE GARRISON TAPES, which Oliver Stone called, “The perfect companion piece to my movie JFK,”

Writer and director of THE AMERICAN MEDIA AND THE 2ND ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, which leading researchers applaud as “The definitive film on JFK and the rise of Fake News,”

Co-creator with Len Osanic of the film, GREATEST PIECE OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM IN 75 YEARS: Barbour & Osanic's Tribute to Wm. F. Pepper,

And the author of YOUR MOTHER’S NOT A VIRGIN! The bumpy life and times of the Canadian dropout who changed the face of American TV!, his delightful autobiography available at TrineDay.com and the usual sellers.

John’s films, books, and more can be found at JohnBarboursWorld.com.

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John lost a national TV show because he tried to tell the story of Jim Garrison’s late 1960s investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. “I was getting $30,000 an hour from 1979 to 1982. I lost it all.” He doesn’t care. He made the two definitive films on the murder of JFK. They can’t be topped because “I have the real Jim Garrison.”

Recently he made, with Len Osanic, the film, GREATEST PIECE OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM IN 75 YEARS: Barbour & Osanic's Tribute to Wm. F. Pepper, who not only solved the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. – he had lunch with the Memphis cop who shot him.

John’s recent broken rib, he told his doctors, was from laughing at Trump during the debate. “Trump and Vance are the Laurel and Hardy of American politics. Another fine mess!” The majority of John’s Facebook friends are not voting for Kamala. They are voting against Trump. If he loses, “he’ll be like a flock of [bucking] flies at a picnic that just won’t go away.”

John distains American politics. The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is the spelling. He’s on Facebook only to inform people about his films and his books.

His wife recently had a bout of edema. She’s home now, doing fine, but was still in a wheelchair when she watched the debate with John after not watching television for months. Ten minutes in, she jumped up and said, “Is he kidding? How did he get this far?” Though Trump’s performance was a disaster, “At least for a moment, he helped Sarita’s recovery!”

Trump was dead meat from the start. He ignored Harris and went to his lectern. But she came to him to introduce herself, as confident, paraphrasing Mark Twain, “as a Christian holding four aces.” Trump instantly became a cornered sheep. She sliced him up into little pieces. He did nothing but talk about himself, while Harris talked about you, and me, and America, three things that Trump is totally unfamiliar with.

John knows several really smart businessmen who are going to vote for Trump – even though they admit they would never hire him for anything.

John will probably make a couple of new documentaries, like his Jim Garrison and William F. Pepper films.

He describes his movie review of DEEP THROAT in LOS ANGELES MAGAZINE and its effect on the jury and when the judge insisted that he say the last line, which he omitted when he read the review on TV.

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TrineDay’s The Journey Podcast 163, John Barbour, Part One: Tribute to William F. Pepper

Publisher R. A. “Kris” Millegan speaks with John Barbour, actor, comic, veteran of THE TONIGHT SHOW and Las Vegas,

“The Godfather of Reality TV,” creator, co-host and writer of the hit show, REAL PEOPLE, five-time Emmy-winner, celebrated movie critic for years in L.A.,

Writer and director of the award-winning THE GARRISON TAPES, which Oliver Stone called, “The perfect companion piece to my movie JFK,”

Writer and director of THE AMERICAN MEDIA AND THE 2ND ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, which leading researchers applaud as “The definitive film on JFK and the rise of Fake News,”

Co-creator with Len Osanic of the film, GREATEST PIECE OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM IN 75 YEARS: Barbour & Osanic's Tribute to Wm. F. Pepper,

And the author of YOUR MOTHER’S NOT A VIRGIN! The bumpy life and times of the Canadian dropout who changed the face of American TV!, his delightful autobiography available at TrineDay.com and the usual sellers.

John’s films, books, and more can be found at JohnBarboursWorld.com.

Topics discussed:

How Oliver Stone wanted to make a documentary about Jim Garrison’s prosecution of Clay Shaw for the murder of John F. Kennedy, but Garrison said, “No. John Barbour is going to be my Boswell,” because John lost two of the greatest shows on television trying to tell Garrison’s story.

Len Osanic, editor and musician, took John’s interviews of attorney William F. Pepper and made the film, GREATEST PIECE OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM IN 75 YEARS: Barbour & Osanic's Tribute to Wm. F. Pepper.

Attorney Pepper petitioned for Sirhan Sirhan’s release, “claiming that a second gunman fired the shots that killed Robert F. Kennedy … Pepper believes that Sirhan, who claims to have no memory of the shooting, was programmed under hypnosis to shoot and provide a distraction from the actual gunman who got away. Hypnosis expert Harvard Medical School professor Daniel P. Brown concluded that Sirhan did not act under his own volition and knowledge at the time of the shooting. He was a real ‘Manchurian Candidate’” -Wikipedia.

Sirhan was always in front of Senator Kennedy, whose autopsy showed he was shot from behind with the gun very close, a couple of inches away. And Sirhan was plausibly firing blanks, not bullets. The 1973 documentary, THE SECOND GUN, shows how the shooter was probably security guard Thane Eugene Cesar.

William Pepper was also James Earl Ray’s last attorney, arguing that Ray did not kill Martin Luther King Jr in 1968. Pepper not only found the Memphis cop who shot King, he had lunch with him.

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