In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman welcomes Dave Chase, co-founder of Health Rosetta, a movement that has become a national force in transforming employer-sponsored healthcare.

Dave shares the deeply personal story that drove him to create Health Rosetta and the powerful framework that emerged—one focused on transparency, outcomes, and economic sustainability.

The conversation explores how Health Rosetta empowers benefit advisors and employers to break free from the traditional health plan model, the crucial role of data access, and the open-source tools now available through Nautilus Health Institute. Dave also unveils the evolution of RosettaFest from an internal network event into the premier gathering for high-performance health plan innovators across the country.

👉 Join RosettaFest 2025 in Denver: https://rosettafest.org/
👉 Explore open-source tools from Nautilus Health: https://www.nautilushealth.org/

🤖 Sponsored by BenePower
BenePower is an AI-powered platform helping advisors build high-impact, self-insured health plans quickly and seamlessly. By integrating best-in-class point solutions and eliminating inefficiencies, BenePower reduces costs, improves member outcomes, and positions advisors as industry leaders.
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🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode

📌 A Personal Tragedy Sparked a Movement
A system failure that devastated a friend’s life inspired Dave Chase to create a new framework for health plans.

📌 It All Starts with the Health Plan Contract
Perverse incentives and system dysfunction stem from opaque, outdated plan contracts—Health Rosetta sets a new standard.

📌 Training a New Class of Benefit Professionals
Health Rosetta focuses on empowering benefit advisors with the tools and standards to drive measurable change.

📌 The TPA, PBM, and Hospital Contracts Matter Most
Dave breaks down the three most critical contracts and how employers can renegotiate smarter, data-driven deals.

📌 Nautilus Health Is Open-Sourcing the Playbook
With $4M+ of legal, contracting, and tech investment, Health Rosetta is giving away the tools others would keep locked up.

📌 Unfettered Data Access Is a Game Changer
Claims transparency isn’t optional anymore—especially under the Consolidated Appropriations Act.

📌 RosettaFest Is the Epicenter for Innovation
Once closed-door, RosettaFest now brings together employers, advisors, clinicians, and tech innovators for radical collaboration.

⏱️ In This Episode

• 00:00 Introduction to Health Rosetta
  
  
  
• 01:02 Founding Story and Inspiration
  
  
  
• 02:11 Building the Framework and Ecosystem
  
  
  
• 08:28 Challenges and Pushbacks
  
  
  
• 16:08 New Developments and Future Plans
  
  
  

26:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman speaks with Joanna Conti, founder and chairman of the nonprofit Conquer Addiction. Joanna’s journey began when her own daughter faced life-threatening alcoholism, prompting a years-long search for effective treatment—and an urgent realization: no one was measuring long-term success.

Joanna shares the results of her groundbreaking research following over 100,000 addiction patients, and exposes the massive gaps in transparency, accountability, and outcomes in today’s treatment centers. She also unveils how employers and families can now access verified recovery data to choose truly effective care—and how a new bundled care model is reshaping the rehab industry.

Conquer Addiction Website: https://conquer-addiction.org

🤖 Sponsored by BenePower

BenePower is an AI-powered platform helping advisors build high-impact, self-insured health plans quickly and seamlessly. By integrating best-in-class point solutions and eliminating inefficiencies, BenePower reduces costs, improves member outcomes, and positions advisors as industry leaders.
🔗 Learn more at BenePower.com

🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode

📌 Most Treatment Centers Don’t Track Outcomes
Joanna explains why fewer than 1% of rehabs conduct post-treatment follow-ups—and how Conquer Addiction is changing that.

📌 Verified Success Rates Vary Widely
While the average recovery rate is 36%, Joanna’s research shows some centers achieve 50%+ and others less than 15%.

📌 Aligning Incentives with Accountability
New bundled-rate models require rehabs to offer relapse support—creating better outcomes and real transparency.

📌 Employers Bear the Cost
Substance use disorders can cost employers $25,000 per year per employee—before treatment even begins.

📌 A National Claims-Based Registry Is Coming
Joanna’s team is building a predictive model using de-identified claims data to rank treatment center effectiveness nationwide.

📌 Hope and Progress
Joanna’s personal story ends with hope: her daughter is thriving after 13 years in recovery—and now four kids of her own.

⏱️ In This Episode

00:00 Introduction to Treatment Duration and Outcomes

13:59 Accessing Treatment Center Data

14:31 Challenges in the Treatment Industry

14:51 Aligning Incentives for Better Outcomes

16:32 Financial Struggles of Treatment Centers

16:58 Using Data to Identify Effective Treatment Centers

17:56 The Role of Compliance and Legislation

18:35 Developing a National Claims Registry

19:28 Predictive Modeling for Treatment Effectiveness

20:40 Sharing Data with Rehabs and Payers

21:42 Future Goals and Conclusion

Why Reducing Variation = Better Outcomes

In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman welcomes Kate Grohall, co-founder and Vice President of Value-Based Solutions at Holista. Kate shares her powerful journey from working with patients in a teaching hospital to building a transformative platform focused on reducing variation in care, cost, and outcomes.

She unpacks how Holista restores trust in the provider-patient relationship, leverages real-time communication tools to improve outcomes, and helps employers drive change by demanding value—not volume.

🤖 Sponsored by BenePower
BenePower is an AI-powered platform helping advisors build high-impact, self-insured health plans quickly and seamlessly. By integrating best-in-class point solutions and eliminating inefficiencies, BenePower reduces costs, improves member outcomes, and positions advisors as industry leaders.
🔗 Learn more at BenePower.com

🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode

📌 Quality = Reducing Variation
Kate defines healthcare quality as reducing unpredictability across cost, outcomes, and patient experience.

📌 C Still Equals MD
Most consumers can't distinguish between top- and bottom-tier physicians. Holista’s proprietary vetting process closes that gap.

📌 Restoring the Provider-Patient Relationship
Holista rebuilds what’s been lost by re-emphasizing relationships and collaboration across care teams.

📌 Real-Time Care Prevents Crisis
Through a patient app and nurse engagement, Holista helps patients avoid unnecessary ER visits and complications.

📌 Incentives That Actually Change Behavior
Forgiving copays and reducing premiums for high-value care choices gives patients immediate financial benefits.

📌 Employers Take the Wheel
Employers are stepping out of the back seat and demanding better results—and Holista helps them drive smart, sustainable change.

⏱️ In This Episode

00:00 Introduction to Better Health Outcomes

00:47 Kate Grohall’s Journey into Healthcare

03:12 Understanding Quality in Healthcare

05:19 Challenges in Reducing Variation

06:50 Provider and Patient Experience

08:57 Quality Metrics Beyond Standards

13:13 Real-Time Communication in Healthcare

14:41 Changing Behavior and Incentives

21:31 Future of Healthcare and Technology

22:56 Employers Taking the Driver's Seat

24:53 Conclusion and Final Thoughts