Great leaders don’t always have the answers, but they know how to ask the right questions. In this episode, executive coach Dave unpacks his 5 C’s coaching framework and explains how it helps leaders stay focused, flexible, and impactful in every conversation. He also reveals why “curious humility” is the underrated superpower that separates great coaches from average managers.

Highlights from the interview:

1. Five C’s of coaching

Dave explains his 5-part coaching framework that he developed to structure his coaching calls:

1. Capacity
2. Clarity
3. Celebration
4. Conversation
5. Commitments

This framework provides a consistent structure while allowing flexibility to adjust based on the client's needs.

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2. Avoiding tangents and staying focused

He shares how the framework helps him keep coaching sessions focused on the most important issues, rather than getting sidetracked by clients wanting to just talk about all the positive things happening. The framework allows him to consistently steer the conversation back to the key priorities.

3. Flexibility within the framework

He explains that he calls it a "framework" rather than a "system" to emphasize the flexibility it provides. The structure can be adjusted based on factors like the client's capacity on a given day, allowing more time for certain parts of the framework as needed.

4. Dave's background and path to coaching

He shares how he was always a talkative kid who was told he "talks too much" on his report cards. This led him to study organizational communications in college and eventually get trained as an executive coach, before transitioning to full-time coaching work.

5. Coaching vs. managing

He distinguishes between coaching, which is about asking powerful questions and holding space for the client to discover solutions, versus managing, which is more prescriptive and directive. He explains how leaders need to know when to coach versus when to manage, based on factors like time constraints and the employee's skills.

6. The power of curiosity and humility in leadership

He emphasizes the importance of leaders cultivating "curious humility" - being genuinely curious to understand their team's perspectives, while also being humble enough to admit when they don't have all the answers. This creates an environment where team members feel empowered to provide feedback and dissenting views.

Learn more about Dave Bates over at Paravelle. You can also connect with him on LinkedIn.

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