In this episode, I sat down with Mason King and Nick Crawford—two of my fellow elders at The Village—to talk about plurality. Not because it’s trendy, but because it’s biblical, and because it has been a safeguard in my ministry. Early on, I had all the power, all the control—and I knew it. It was efficient, it was fast, and it was dangerous. So we talk about why one-man leadership is a bad idea, what true elder plurality actually looks like, and how it’s protected us, humbled us, and served the body over the years. If you’re planting a church, rethinking leadership, or just wondering how to build something that lasts—this one’s for you.

In This Episode

• [03:00] The Biblical Case for Plurality
• [06:00] Why We Avoid Plurality
• [12:00] What Plurality Has Given Us
• [16:00] Shield-to-Shield Leadership
• [21:00] How We Choose Elders
• [30:00] When Plurality Prevents Church Hurt
• [38:00] Signs of Fake Plurality
• [43:00] First Steps Toward Plurality
• [49:00] Final Encouragements to Young Leaders

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Man, today’s episode is rich. I’m sitting down with Dr. Michelle Bowman—an educator, leader, and sister in Christ who has walked through the fire and come out on the other side with her joy still. Her story? It’s not the cleaned-up version. It’s real. Ten years of struggle, a marriage that ended in heartbreak, and a journey back into the family of faith, not with shame but with strength.

What you’ll hear in Michelle is the kind of resilience that only comes from walking with Jesus through deep pain. From idolizing marriage to embracing her calling as a spiritual mother, she’s living proof that you can lose everything the world calls secure and still gain something far better—belonging, joy, and purpose in Christ.

If you've ever felt like your story disqualifies you, let this be a holy disruption. There’s healing here, and it starts by stepping into the light. Keep your eyes up.

In This Episode

• [02:00] - Walking Through Divorce & Letting Go of Identity
• [04:30] - Coming Home to TVC: A Story of Community & Welcome
• [08:00] - Serving in Singleness: From Family Legacy to Faithful Presence
• [10:45] - Can You Love Jesus and Not the Church?
• [14:30] - The Cost and Freedom of Being a Single Woman in the Church
• [17:45] - Seeing God's Goodness in Unexpected Seasons
• [21:30] - Spiritual Motherhood & Nurturing the Body of Christ
• [25:45] - Lifelong Encouragers: Family, Faithful Friends & SSR Sisters
• [28:15] - A Heart for Missions: Finding Purpose on the Field
• [30:00] - Rhythms That Keep Her Anchored: Serving, Studying, and Scripture
• [33:00] - To the One Feeling Shame: What Michelle Wants You to Hear
• [40:00] - A Final Word on Grace, Courage, and Coming Home Again

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Communio is not another program. It’s a non-profit organization that comes alongside churches, training and equipping them to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family. Family structure is key for passing on faith to children, yet 72 percent of churches lack significant relationship ministry. That’s where Communio comes in. Communio has worked with hundreds of churches across the country. These churches have seen divorce rates drop – attendance rise – weekly generosity increase – and marriage and family bonds restored.

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