Most FBI agents don't live a life undercover with criminal motorcycle clubs or extremist groups or ever play the part of a hitman or commit to roles involving public corruption, or be an active member of a regional SWAT team, but FBI Agent Scott Payne has done ALL of the above as well as assignments that are still classified. The guy is a natural story teller! We also talk about his new book, CODENAME: PALE HORSE, his willingness to teach his techniques, his love of SWAT and ensuring the next generation of hard chargers get the best training possible. Instagram: scottpaynebigcountry

Most FBI agents don't live a life undercover with criminal motorcycle clubs or extremist groups or ever play the part of a hitman or commit to roles involving public corruption, or be an active member of a regional SWAT team, but FBI Agent Scott Payne has done ALL of the above as well as assignments that are still classified.

The guy is a natural story teller!

We also talk about his new book, CODENAME: PALE HORSE, his willingness to teach his techniques, his love of SWAT and ensuring the next generation of hard chargers get the best training possible.

Instagram: scottpaynebigcountry

From battling meth, heroin and alcoholism to training Arizona police officers on cycles of dependency, self destruction, and addiction, Shane Watson talks about his head first dive into every drug imaginable only to wake up in one of America's most known jails. Shane shares how he went through withdrawals from behind cell walls yet somehow not only survived but thrived! It was a long road of recovery. Along the way, Shane accrued over 3,000 albums, so we had to talk about music as well.

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