What if your symptoms weren’t “just in your head”? On this heartfelt and hilarious episode of The Big Silence, Karena sits down with Katy and Josh, the powerhouse couple behind the wellness brands Joi and Blokes (now unified under Relon). From four miscarriages and lost sex drives to unexpected weight gain and hormone havoc, they candidly share how their personal struggles with health, marriage, and identity led to the creation of a thriving health movement. Whether you're a woman navigating perimenopause, a man feeling off but unsure why, or a couple trying to make love and business work — this episode is packed with hope, humor, and healing.

• Katy and Josh reflect on nearly 10 years together — and how working together began with money, then real estate, and ultimately hormone health.
• Their health journey began in crisis: low libido, anxiety, perimenopause, and postpartum changes.
• A shared commitment to wellness helped them go from rock bottom to building a company based on lived experience.
• Why men’s hormonal health (and mental health) needs more visibility, especially during Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month.

• The couple opens up about enduring four miscarriages and the emotional toll it took on their marriage.
• Josh withdrew while Katy powered forward — causing emotional disconnection until they learned how to communicate again.
• How surrendering control (and stress) may have played a role in two natural pregnancies after IVF and surrogacy attempts.
• A powerful reminder: grief affects everyone differently — and healing takes teamwork.

• Josh shares the shame and confusion of low testosterone — and how addressing it changed everything.
• Katy opens up about anxiety, insomnia, and her game-changing experience with progesterone.
• Why checking both partners’ labs is crucial for a healthy relationship.
• Karena joins in on how sleep, stress, and sex drive shifted in her own hormonal journey.

• Katy and Karena talk lifting heavy, protein struggles, and redefining strength after 40.
• Josh lost over 50 pounds in 5 months — not with fads, but with free tools: sleep, movement, mindset, and consistency.
• “Movement is medicine”: how a simple walk can be the gateway to a healthier life.
• It’s not about quick fixes — it’s about reclaiming ownership over your body, one choice at a time.

• Why entrepreneurship as a couple isn’t for the faint of heart — but also deeply rewarding.
• The importance of boundaries (even when they’re broken at dinner).
• Their secret sauce: divide and conquer, communicate often, and trust each other’s zone of genius.
• Joi and Blokes are scaling — and staying true to its mission of helping others feel better.

This episode was Filmed at the Thompson Nashville.

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What if the path to true health wasn’t found in counting macros or cutting carbs—but in listening to your body, regulating your nervous system, and redefining your worth? Karena welcomes integrative nutritionist and mom of four, Cara Clark. From growing up in a chaotic home as one of eight kids to building a health empire rooted in faith and intuition, Cara opens up about performance-based love, disordered eating, menopause, and the transformational power of food. Her feel-good food philosophy, combined with her personal healing journey, is an invitation to slow down, nourish deeply, and redefine success on your own terms.

The Big Question:

How can women reclaim their health by tuning into their body, not society’s expectations?

• Cara grew up as the oldest girl of eight siblings, describing her childhood as “chaos is normal.”
• Her early environment shaped her mindset—performing well earned love and attention.
• She reflects on moving from Indiana to California and the culture shock that transformed her health journey.
• Faith and family were early anchors, but the need for external validation lingered into adulthood.

• Cara discusses how love in her childhood felt conditional—earned through achievements.
• Therapy helped her realize she wasn’t broken in her marriage, but still healing from her upbringing.
• She opens up about marrying young, launching her business with her husband’s support, and finding her calling through her clients.
• Her story of realizing “rejection is protection” redefined her view of failure and success.

• After four kids in five years, Cara traded bootcamps for a sustainable nutrition business.
• Her food philosophy: eat within one hour of waking, all three macros every meal, five colors per day.
• She's passionate about regulating the nervous system as the foundation of healing.
• Her latest book blends recipes with prayer, morning rituals, and intuitive nourishment.

• Cara busts myths about intermittent fasting and explains why it's often harmful for cycling women.
• She teaches why digestion is energy-intensive, and how eating earlier supports better sleep and hormone health.
• Her approach helps women transition through perimenopause and menopause without shame or confusion.
• “Protein doesn’t spike insulin”—a key tip for managing cortisol and energy in midlife.

• Cara believes you have to earn dessert—not by restriction, but by honoring the process and ingredients.
• Cooking is a daily meditation and a form of connection for her family.
• Her favorite part of each day? Building meals around cravings with intention, not guilt.
• Recipes are more than food—they’re rituals, reflections, and healing tools.

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On this episode of The Big Silence, Karena Dawn sits down with singer-songwriter Lindsey Ray — a powerhouse behind the scenes of the music industry with credits including Mariah Carey, Demi Lovato, and Tiësto. But beyond the accolades lies a story of self-reinvention, mental health awakening, and the hard decision to walk away from “success” in search of authenticity. From her childhood anxiety and people-pleasing tendencies to leaving a thriving music licensing career, Lindsey shares what it means to choose yourself — again and again.

Whether you're a fellow artist, a sensitive soul, or someone standing at the edge of a life change, Lindsey’s story offers hope that the biggest wins come when we stop performing for approval and start living for ourselves.

Lindsey reflects on the emotional toll of chasing external validation — and what it took to finally start writing a new story for herself.

• Lindsey opens up about suffering silently for years — and the weight that lifted once she could name and share her mental health struggles.
• Why childhood wounds often resurface in adulthood — and how Lindsey finds beauty in understanding that connection.
• How Tone It Up, The Big Silence, and building community around mental health gave her a new mission.
• Her journey from hiding anxiety to embracing it as part of her truth.

• How a MySpace video and an open mic night changed everything.
• The unconventional way she ended up featured on a Tiësto track using an iPhone mic — while sick with strep throat.
• Why she created alter egos like Raelle and Aliana to explore different music styles.
• Learning the industry “rules” and why she ultimately rejected them to stay true to herself.

• Despite success in sync licensing, Lindsey realized she wasn’t fulfilled — and decided to walk away from a decade-long partnership.
• The emotional, financial, and identity crisis that followed.
• Discovering that people-pleasing was driving her choices, not passion.
• Learning to let go of needing external approval and define her worth on her own terms.

• Her go-to grounding practices: walks in the woods, bath rituals, lifting heavy weights, and alone time.
• The importance of solitude as a sensitive person and empath.
• Setting boundaries around emotional energy and people-pleasing.
• The ongoing lesson: healing is not a finish line — it’s a lifelong practice.

• Lindsey redefines success as peace, alignment, and the courage to say no.
• How she’s learned to trust her body, her voice, and her path — even when it’s uncertain.
• The power of living authentically and inspiring others to do the same.
• Why letting go of what no longer serves you is sometimes the bravest thing you can do.

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