🎙️ Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power – Full Interview: Spencer Kluvín

In this special bonus episode, we share the full, unedited interview with Spencer Kluvín, the Florida-based attorney representing multiple victims in the ongoing civil litigation connected to Duluth Vineyard, Vineyard USA, Michael and Brenda Gatlin, and Jackson Gatlin.

Spencer brings not only deep legal insight to the conversation, but also years of experience advocating for survivors in nationally significant abuse cases—including clients connected to Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Cosby.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Spencer discusses:

• How early warning signs were ignored

• What the legal case reveals about institutional patterns of protection

• Why survivors so often face retaliation when they speak up

• And what true accountability in a faith-based system might actually require

This interview offers essential context for understanding the legal and structural failures at the heart of this story—and what it means for the Vineyard movement and beyond.

⚠️ Content Warning:

This episode includes discussion of sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, emotional trauma, and ongoing legal proceedings involving high-profile defendants. It may also contain strong language. Listener discretion is advised.

🛑 Legal Disclaimer:

The views and experiences shared in this episode reflect those of the individuals interviewed and do not necessarily represent the official position of any organization, past or present. This podcast is intended for informational and storytelling purposes only and should not be interpreted as legal, clinical, or professional advice. If you or someone you know has experienced abuse in a religious or institutional context, please seek support from licensed professionals and survivor-centered organizations.

🙏 Special Thanks:

We extend our deepest thanks to Spencer Kluvín for his transparency, time, and advocacy on behalf of survivors.

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🎙️ Credits:

Guest: Spencer Kluvín, Esq.

Written and Hosted by: John Williamson

Produced by: John Williamson Productions, LLC

Episode 4: “God Told Me So”

When personal revelation becomes a shield for power, who pays the price?

In this episode of Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power, we examine the rise of Alan and Kathryn Scott—from their beginnings at Causeway Coast Vineyard in Northern Ireland to their controversial takeover of Anaheim Vineyard, the flagship church of the Vineyard movement. What began as a ministry rooted in spiritual fervor became a vehicle for unchecked authority, manipulation, and silencing of dissent.

Through firsthand accounts and extensive reporting, we uncover how Alan Scott’s insistence that he was hearing directly from God allowed him to bypass accountability, override governance structures, and consolidate power in ways that left congregants and staff confused, hurt, and in some cases, spiritually traumatized.

We explore:

• The red flags from Northern Ireland that went unheeded

• The leadership dynamics in Anaheim following the Scotts’ arrival

• Parallels between the Scott and Gatlin stories

• The role of worship platform culture and figures like Jeremy Riddle

• Why Vineyard USA didn’t intervene—and what that says about their systems

💬 Special Thanks

This episode wouldn’t be possible without the honesty and courage of those who agreed to share their experiences. We want to extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who trusted us with their stories—many of whom are speaking publicly for the first time.

💬 Special Thanks

This episode wouldn’t be possible without the honesty and courage of those who agreed to share their experiences. We are incredibly grateful to everyone who trusted us with their stories—many of whom are speaking publicly for the first time.

Thank you to:

🗣️ Brian Metzger, lead pastor at Raleigh Vineyard

🗣️ Rebecca Hopkins of The Roys Report, whose consistent and careful reporting helped illuminate key details of the Anaheim Vineyard story and provided a foundation for further investigation.

Your voices help shine a light where silence has prevailed for far too long.

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Disclaimer:

Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power is a work of investigative journalism. It includes allegations and opinions based on interviews, public documents, media reports, and other sources. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

This podcast is not affiliated with Vineyard USA or any religious organization. Names, events, and quotes are used for reporting and documentary purposes under fair use and public interest protections. The creators of this series have taken care to verify information where possible and present commentary in a good-faith effort to inform the public.

Some episodes contain references to sexual abuse, spiritual trauma, and other sensitive topics. Listener discretion is advised.

🎙️ Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power – Full Interview: Kris Sauter

In this special bonus episode of Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power, we share the full, unedited interview with Kris Sauter, former youth pastor at Duluth Vineyard.

Kris worked closely with the Gatlin family for years. In this conversation, he speaks candidly about what he witnessed from the inside—the early red flags, the power dynamics, and how the church’s leadership culture allowed misconduct and manipulation to go unchecked.

His perspective is crucial to understanding how abuse within Duluth Vineyard unfolded and how national leaders failed to respond—despite years of warning signs.

This is one of several full-length interviews being released throughout the series to offer deeper context and allow key voices to be heard without interruption.

⚠️ Content Warning:

This episode contains conversations about spiritual, emotional, and sexual abuse, as well as references to institutional mishandling of misconduct. It may also contain occasional strong language. Listener discretion is advised.

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Subscribe to Spoiled Fruit for future full interviews and bonus content, including upcoming conversations with Ryan Bauers, Brian Metzger, and others who’ve helped shape this investigation.

For more, visit www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com

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🛑 Legal Disclaimer:

The views and experiences shared in this episode are those of the individuals interviewed and do not necessarily reflect the official position of any organization, past or present. This podcast is intended for informational and storytelling purposes only and should not be interpreted as legal, therapeutic, or professional advice. If you or someone you know has experienced abuse in a faith-based or institutional setting, please seek support from qualified professionals and survivor-advocacy resources.

🎙️ Credits:

Guest: Kris Sauter, former youth pastor at Duluth Vineyard

Written and Hosted by: John Williamson

Produced by: John Williamson Productions, LLC