Michael talks about running and how it helped with his addiction, Buckfifty stories from its inception, and we talk snacks without our co-host, Chris Scott, while he eats a Speedway peanut butter bar on the beach. 

Michael Hickman is the epitome of why we started The Buckfifty. After a lifetime of struggling with addiction and substance use, Michael found sobriety. He also found running. Then The Buckfifty found him. He has ran every year of the event. 

This episode Michael talks about his struggles with addiction, understanding the addictive mindset and how poweful it is, factors that lead to addiction, and most importantly where to find help. 

Ultrarunner Kelly O'Dell joined the show to discuss her experience with The Buckfifty, running tips, and upcoming races on her schedule. Kelly ran on the 5-person team, the Badwater Bunch, named after arguably the hardest ultra-marathon on the planet, which all of the team members have run or will run (or won in Harvey Lewis' case). 

Besides eating a little "crow" when she has to tell Dave that she didn't think the race would work when she first heard about it, Kelly discusses her team's strategy, running for beginners, her own challenges that came with running, and her overall Buckfifty experience from a first-timer perspective.