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Navigating the Global Realignment: Human Rights at the edges.

Navigating the Global Realignment: Human Rights at the edges.

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 Episode Description In this compelling conversation, Dave speaks with Florian Irminger about his journey from high-visibility political leadership to behind-the-scenes human rights advocacy, and what he calls the "Global Realignment" we're all navigating. This episode explores how leaders can pivot from old ways of working to meet unprecedented challenges, why admitting "I don't know" is becoming essential leadership, and how human rights work is at the leading edge of what we all need to learn to thrive in this new world. Guest Bio: Florian Irminger Florian Irminger is the founder of Progress & Change Action Lab, an advisory group dedicated to supporting organizations and institutions navigating complex social and political transformations. Following his tenure as Secretary-General of the Swiss Green Party, Florian made the conscious decision to step back from high-visibility political leadership to work behind the scenes, supporting others in creating meaningful change. Inspired by Robert F. Kennedy's words that "Progress is the nice word we like to use. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies," Florian has dedicated his work to addressing what he calls the "Global Realignment"—fundamental shifts in our political, social, and human rights landscape. Recently, Florian launched two significant initiatives: the Human Rights Compass, which brings together organizations beyond traditional branding to collaborate on key recommendations for addressing global challenges, and the Human Rights Index, launched in response to political and social media shifts. Dave first met Florian when he was working at Human Rights House headquarters in Oslo, and later worked with him as he opened offices in Geneva and Brussels. They've maintained their connection as Florian's career and life have evolved. Episode Timeline & Key Themes 00:00 - 03:00: Opening & Origins Introduction and reflection on their 10+ year relationship since meeting at Human Rights House in OsloThe memorable story of humor as a mask - early coaching insight that stayed with Florian 03:00 - 07:40: The Personal Pivot Florian's decision to step back from his own career to support his wife's diplomatic careerMoving from 250 emails a day to 10, but each with real valueThe luxury of being able to focus on what's essential 07:40 - 12:54: From Public to Behind-the-Scenes Leadership Shifting from getting energy from public attention to finding nourishment in deeper workCreating breathing spaces for overwhelmed human rights CEOsThe loneliness of leadership and the power of authentic connection 12:54 - 21:10: The Global Realignment How COVID revealed similarities between different sectors facing uncertaintyThe challenge for human rights CEOs in an increasingly hostile environmentRFK's insight: "Progress is the nice word we like to use. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies"Why the resistance isn't to human rights values but to the change required 21:10 - 26:48: Working with "Angels" - The NGO Challenge Managing organizations full of well-intentioned, highly educated people who see themselves as "doing good"The difficulty when "angels" suddenly find themselves labeled as enemiesThe need for inward-looking organizational development, not just external solutions 26:48 - 34:02: The Compass Has Lost North Why traditional approaches no longer work in the current environmentThe image of a compass that's lost its north - we need to learn to hold it differentlyHow social recognition for human rights workers has disappeared in many placesThe question: "Where will these people find recognition now?" 34:02 - 38:04: From Classical Music to Jazz The need to stop having all the answers and start asking better questionsMoving from classical music (well-written, well-played) to jazz (improvisation and listening)The challenge when "the paper the music is written on is burning" 38:04 - 43:10: Recognizing Readiness for Change How to identify when leaders are ready to change (hint: it's not about tenure)The power of admitting uncertainty as an indicator of readinessThe counterintuitive truth that vulnerability creates organizational strength 43:10 - 46:39: The 3AM Disquiet Why this is a moment for public leaders to be authentic about not knowingThe parallel between Dave's coaching work and Florian's policy workHow both are seeing similar patterns across different sectors 46:39 - 52:00: Working Between Organizations The freedom and authenticity that comes from not being institutionally boundHow COVID changed how people want to work - more connection to family, less institutional boundariesThe future of human rights work: organizations adapting to individuals rather than vice versa 52:00 - 1:00:14: Navigating Crisis Fatigue The story of the 13-year-old who believed "we're all going to burn"How we've been "exhausting the public" with constant crisis messagingThe fear that continuous pressure will create numbness and loss of empathy in human rights ...

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