This is an exploration between Shinzen Young and Bernardo Kastrup on mysticism, science, and liberation. Shinzen Young is a mindfulness teacher, the author of the Science of Enlightenment, and is the co-director of the SEMA lab at the University of Arizona. Bernardo Kastrup is an analytic philosopher, computer engineer, metaphysical idealist, and executive director of the Essentia Foundation.

Essentia Foundation: https://www.essentiafoundation.org/

Shinzen Young: https://www.shinzen.org/

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Timestamps: 

0:00 Intro
2:46 Can philosophy, science, and mysticism align? 
7:39 What does liberation consist of? 
11:38 Bernardo’s path to insight 
17:43 The paradox of cultivated improvement vs. nothing to improve 
31:16 Blocking ourselves from life’s teaching 
36:01 Did Spinoza have mystical experience? 
48:58 The truth is not vulnerable 
51:29 Training people in the spirit of science 
1:06:59 Reflecting on Bernardo’s insight 

Jordan Myska Allen is CEO and founder of The Relateful Company, an organization focused on building inner peace and interconnection through truth and love. At the heart of their approach is Relatefulness, a practice emphasizing present-moment relating, construct awareness, and non-duality. Jordan is also a practicing life coach, the author of A Beautiful Apocalypse, and a long-time practitioner of A Course in Miracles.

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Timestamps: 

0:00 Intro
3:24 Switching between the ultimate and the relative
5:48 Everything is either love or a call for love
7:52 ACIM doesn’t comment on the world of form 
9:21 Fundamental existential guilt 
11:58 Leaning into what we flinch from 
14:31 What it means to flinch from God
20:12 Transcending but including all that is
25:20 The opening quote of ACIM
26:36 What does it mean that “the world is an illusion?” 
33:15 What’s so good about choosing fear over love? 
36:43 The choice between love and fear, and coming to surrender
42:40 What is forgiveness? 
54:27 Clarifying perfect forgiveness 
1:00:32 The Diamond Sutra 
1:05:24 The gateless gate 
1:12:45 Key takeaways 
1:19:17 Final thoughts

Federico Faggin is an engineer and physicist who invented the world's first commercial micro processor, the Intel 4004. He is also the founder of the Federico and Elvia Faggin Foundation which is dedicated to the scientific study of consciousness.

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Timestamps:

0:00 Intro
2:54 Federico’s awakening experience
12:36 Consciousness, free will, and identity 
18:09 Truth and freedom from suffering
21:55 “The one” that seeks to know itself
26:22 How “the one” becomes the many
28:55 “The one” and classic/quantum physics
41:51 Fundamental entities with free will, identity, and consciousness 
44:15 Consciousness needs classical memory to store experience
46:06 Was the Big Bang a free will choice
56:06 The reality of the irreducible 
1:00:39 Semantic space 
1:04:41 Methods of inquiring into symbolic and semantic space
1:11:17 Will everything eventually converge? 
1:14:58 Taking semantic reality seriously 
1:21:13 Near death experiences 
1:23:33 Taking experience seriously 
1:29:28 Quantum information as a representation of inner experience
1:33:03 What do we do given this understanding? 
1:35:37 We are not machines
1:42:15 Negating the reality of the soul
1:46:08 Meaninglessness and dynamic truth 
1:51:29 Goodbyes