In this episode of Ministry on the Margins, Dr. Josh Olds interviews leadership expert and seminary professor Dr. Angie Ward about her latest book, Beyond Church and Parachurch. Ward invites ministry leaders to move from institutional rivalry to collaborative mission, reshaping how we understand the church’s identity and reach in a post-Christian world.

Together, they reimagine church as an ecosystem—rather than competing institutions—and how that can unleash a deeper, more faithful witness. Whether you're a pastor, nonprofit leader, or layperson passionate about ministry, this episode will challenge and encourage you.

🗣️ In This Episode, You'll Hear:

• How Angie Ward’s ministry journey led her to reimagine the role of church and parachurch ministries
• Why institutional models often restrict collaboration and foster competition
• How to define the Church biblically, theologically, and missionally
• What a decentralized, Spirit-led ministry ecosystem might look like
• How to resist control and embrace open-handed leadership

In this episode of Ministry on the Margins, Dr. Josh Olds engages in a heartfelt conversation with bestselling author and pastor Max Lucado about his book You'll Get Through This. They delve into the story of Joseph, exploring themes of resilience, faith, and God's unwavering presence during life's most challenging moments. Lucado shares personal insights and practical advice on navigating adversity, emphasizing that, with God's help, we can overcome even the darkest times.

This preview episode is from Josh's podcast archives. Right now, anyone who subscribes to the Ministry on the Margins podcast will be entered to win a copy of Lucado's latest book Never Give Up*.

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