We're talking about those real-world scenarios law students won't find in our textbooks.

In this "They Don't Teach You That in Law School" edition, we tackle the complex and fascinating topic of entrapment.

We explore everything from undercover operations and chat room stings to the infamous DeLorean cocaine case, decoding what truly constitutes entrapment and examining the differences between what we're taught and what really happens in practice.

We peel back the curtain on high-profile cases and the controversial role of the administrative state. Whether you're a law student, a lawyer, or just curious about how these defenses play out, this episode is sure to expand your perspective.

I reference our past episode Cocaine Island, Episode 100.

Teachable Moments

00:00 "Entrapment: Back to the Future Discussion"

03:06 "Entrapment and Criminal Intent"

09:01 Understanding Entrapment's Complexity

12:08 Using Prior Convictions in Court

14:13 Understanding Estoppel in Law

19:02 Entrapment by Estoppel Explained

21:06 "Rethinking Government Insurance Involvement"

24:19 Interpreting Law: The Regulatory Maze

Here's a quick peek at what's discussed:

• Understanding Entrapment: Ever wondered what really counts as entrapment? Bella and Troy pose some burning questions about how this defense works, with examples you might recognize from "To Catch a Predator."
• Real-World Legal Insights: I share my professional insights and anecdotes, touching on famous cases like the DeLorean entrapment case from the '80s. It's a fascinating look at how these defenses are argued beyond the classroom.
• The Role of Entrapment by Estoppel: Learn about this lesser-known defense strategy and how it's applied in unique situations, like the tale of the Southern Ohio tomato farmers.
• The Challenges of the Administrative State: The episode also tackles the complexities of regulatory schemes and the intricacies of administrative law that aren't typically taught within the four walls of a classroom.

Submit your questions to www.lawyertalkpodcast.com.

Recorded at Channel 511.

Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.

Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.

He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.

Steve has unique experience handling numerous high publicity cases that have garnered national attention.

For more information about Steve and his law firm, visit Palmer Legal Defense.

Copyright 2025 Stephen E. Palmer - Attorney At Law

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I discuss the intricacies of post-conviction petitions and the nuances of the appellate process.

As a seasoned appellate lawyer, I shed light on the critical timelines that can make or break an appeal and emphasize the importance of understanding the difference between a direct appeal and post-conviction petitions.

I outline the crucial steps that need to be taken immediately following a conviction to ensure all avenues for appeal are properly pursued. With real-life examples and expert advice, I provide invaluable guidance for anyone navigating the complex legal terrain post-conviction.

So, if you or someone you know is facing an appeal, this episode is a must-listen.

Here's a sneak peek at some of the key takeaways:

• Timelines are Critical: Always be aware of the deadlines. In Ohio, for instance, the post-conviction petition deadline starts one year from when the trial transcript is filed in the court of appeals on the direct appeal.
• Know Your Ladders: I always emphasize the importance of understanding the two "ladders" in appellate work—direct appeal and post-conviction. Ignoring one can mean missing vital deadlines and opportunities to raise certain issues.
• Seek the Right Expertise: For a successful post-conviction petition, it’s essential to assemble the right team of expert witnesses. Whether it's medical, psychological, or forensic experts, their involvement can significantly influence the case.

Submit your questions to www.lawyertalkpodcast.com.

Recorded at Channel 511.

Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.

Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.

He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.

Steve has unique experience handling numerous high publicity cases that have garnered national attention.

For more information about Steve and his law firm, visit Palmer Legal Defense.

Copyright 2025 Stephen E. Palmer - Attorney At Law

Mentioned in this episode:

Circle 270 Media Podcast Consultants

Circle 270 Media® is a podcast consulting firm based in Columbus, Ohio, specializing in helping businesses develop, launch, and optimize podcasts as part of their marketing strategy. The firm emphasizes the importance of storytelling through podcasting to differentiate businesses and engage with their audiences effectively. www.circle270media.com

In this episode, I'm looking back at our earlier debate ignited by a listener's comment on aerial privacy and the law.

Joining me in the clip I reference is Troy Hendrickson, one of the two sharp law students from our They Don't Teach You That in Law School series.

We're exploring the question: What happens when airplanes fly over your property? Do you have any reasonable expectation of privacy from above? I'll explain how the law strives to balance fixed rules with the need for flexibility in an ever-changing world, especially with advancements in surveillance technology.

Here are 3 key takeaways

• Applying Rules to Extremes: Lawyers often use seemingly far-fetched examples to test legal rules to their logical extremes, helping to identify exceptions and crafting rules that are both robust and adaptable.
• Evolving Legal Frameworks: As technology advances, the law must evolve too. Crafting legal rules involves finding a balance between providing clarity and adapting to unforeseen technological advancements.
• Dynamic vs. Rigid Law: A major theme is finding the balance between finality and adaptability in the law, allowing it to be both definitive for current use and flexible enough to suit future scenarios.

Got a question you want answered on the podcast? Call 614-859-2119 and leave us a voicemail. Steve will answer your question on the next podcast!

Submit your questions to www.lawyertalkpodcast.com.

Recorded at Channel 511.

Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.

Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.

He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.

Steve has unique experience handling numerous high-publicity cases that have garnered national attention.

For more information about Steve and his law firm, visit Palmer Legal Defense.

Copyright 2025 Stephen E. Palmer - Attorney At Law

Mentioned in this episode:

Circle 270 Media Podcast Consultants

Circle 270 Media® is a podcast consulting firm based in Columbus, Ohio, specializing in helping businesses develop, launch, and optimize podcasts as part of their marketing strategy. The firm emphasizes the importance of storytelling through podcasting to differentiate businesses and engage with their audiences effectively. www.circle270media.com