Too many agencies are drowning clients in dashboards, vanity metrics, and pretty charts that don’t move the needle. Ryan Stevens is here to burn that to the ground.

In this episode of Is Anything Real in Paid Advertising?, Adam W. Barney sits down with Ryan, Founder of Digital Reference and the guy agencies call when they want their data to actually tell the truth.

We dig into:

• The difference between “reporting” and real insight
• How to kill useless KPIs before they waste your budget
• Why clean attribution is the ultimate trust-builder
• The metrics clients actually care about

This is data with teeth: no fluff, no filler. If you’re tired of playing spreadsheet dress-up and want reporting that drives real ROI, this is your episode.

📌 Connect with Ryan Stevens: LinkedIn | Digital Reference

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Anthony Tsigourakos, co-founder of SmartSpend Advertising and growth advisor at Good Name Consulting, knows the hidden costs of scaling. After helping dozens of agencies break through plateaus, he’s learned that real growth isn’t just about adding clients or revenue…it’s about protecting your capacity, your margins, and your energy.

In this episode, we dive into:

• Why most agencies think they’re scaling when they’re actually stalling
• The balance between execution, strategy, and personal energy
• Real ROI versus vanity metrics...and how to track what truly matters
• Building a business that fuels your life instead of draining it

Whether you’re running a $250K shop or a multi-million dollar agency, this episode will help you rethink your growth plan, sharpen your focus, and lead with intention.

📍 Connect with Anthony:

• SmartSpend Advertising: https://smartspendadvertising.com
• Good Name Consulting: https://goodnameconsulting.com
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonytsigourakos/

🎙 Hosted by Adam W. Barney, Is Anything Real in Paid Advertising? explores the truths, myths, and hidden realities behind marketing, growth, and leadership.

💡 If you enjoyed this conversation, make sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, leave a review, and share this episode with one other agency owner, founder, or leader who needs it.

What actually works when paid ads stop performing?

In this episode, Patrick Cumming, Head of Marketing at KleintBoost, joins Adam W. Barney to cut through the noise and talk shop: what’s real, what’s BS, and why most agencies are still chasing vanity metrics.

We go deep on:

• 💥 How to audit your funnel without losing your mind
• 📊 The real KPIs that matter for sustainable growth
• 🧠 Client psychology, performance myths, and decision-making under pressure
• 🤖 Why attribution is broken, and how to market anyway

Whether you’re an agency founder, media buyer, or brand leader tired of spinning your wheels, this episode gives you the clarity (and fire) to reset your strategy.

🔥 Hosted by Adam W. Barney, Host of Is Anything Real in Paid Advertising?, the show where agency leaders unpack what’s real…and what’s just noise.

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