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Grief is something we all face, yet most of us aren’t prepared for it — and it’s costing us more than we realize.

In this conversation, Dr. Kevin White talks with Emma Payne, founder and CEO of Help Texts, about what really happens to our minds and bodies after loss, why grief can shorten lifespan if ignored, and how simple, science-based support can change the outcome. Emma shares her personal story, the inspiration behind Help Texts, and the surprising link between grief, brain plasticity, and long-term health.

They also break the news on Longevity Texts — a new service delivering expert-led, science-backed longevity tips straight to your phone. Whether you’re navigating loss yourself, supporting someone who is, or looking to build resilience for the years ahead, this episode offers practical, compassionate wisdom you can act on today.

In this episode:

• How grief impacts both healthspan and lifespan
• Why we often avoid talking about loss — and why that’s harmful
• The four tasks of healthy mourning (and how to apply them)
• The surprising ways our brains rewire during grief
• Why “doing nothing” is the worst way to support a grieving friend
• How Help Texts and Longevity Texts are changing the way we give and receive support

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