Nate and John sweat through a heat wave (and tech glitches) to reflect on how they stumbled into careers in product and product marketing. From mentors to odd job pivots and PM vs. PMM debates, they unpack what led them here—and what might come next. Also: thermometers, Tour de France opinions, and why writing still matters (even with AI).

In this episode of Gettin' to Market, Nate and John kick things off with a discovery about how they've settled into their natural PMM/PM roles on the podcast before settling into a conversation about mid-year reviews. They unpack how those check-ins can be more than just a calendar milestone, offering real opportunities for career clarity, self-advocacy, and visibility. Plus: what happens when someone on your team wants to quit tech and start a lawn care business? Tune in for reflections on leadership, promotions, and parenting moments when your kid calls you bruh.

In this week's episode, John suspiciously refuses to share who he voted for in the 2004 election and, together, they unpack the realities of workplace politics (from the exhausting parts to the strategic ones). Through personal stories, they explore what “politics” really means in cross-functional roles, why alignment matters more than agreement, and how vision can (sometimes) cut through the noise. Plus, some onboarding reflections, rowing metaphors, and a surprising fact about 2050 that might make you feel very old.