In this episode, Arun Sudhaman sits down with Richard Edelman for a candid conversation on the evolving dynamics of trust, the blurring lines between advertising and PR, and the future of purpose-driven brand communications. Edelman argues that brands must shift from collective "we"-based purposes to individual "me"-focused relevance, reflecting deep societal shifts driven by economic insecurity and AI disruption.

They also dissect how ad agencies are encroaching on earned territory, the opportunities and pitfalls of generative AI, and the critical need for PR firms to pivot from time-based billing to value-based pricing. Edelman offers sharp insights on global market dynamics, the future of influencer and creator strategies, and his vision for scaling trust as a core marketing asset.

A must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of communications, culture, and corporate strategy — and how agencies must evolve or risk obsolescence.

In a tough agency market, Zeno Group CEO Barby Siegel and chief client impact officer Thomas Bunn share how they've returned to growth by restructuring around culture-first strategy and predictive intelligence.

Recorded at the 2025 Cannes Lions Festival, the duo reveal their shift from traditional account management to embedded teams of strategists, creatives, and data analysts working directly with clients. And while AI tools are crucial in identifying cultural moments before they break mainstream, human intuition remains irreplaceable, in an era that requires constant vigilance.

Successful cultural engagement, argue the duo, requires knowing when to pause, when to participate, and when to pass. In conversation with Earned First founding editor Arun Sudhaman, the Zeno leaders discuss emerging undercurrents brands should watch: persistent polarization, creator fatigue, platform disruption, and renewed focus on women's issues.

Emma Smith joins the Earned First podcast to discuss how her fast-growing corporate consultancy, Sandpiper, is aiming to elevate Asian PR onto the global stage. Smith, who has been based in Asia for 30+ years, also recounts her journey with seminal PR firms Forrest and Weber Shandwick, her pioneering MBO from MHP that launched Sandpiper, and her bullish ambitions for the firm as it continues to grow.