Human vs. Machine Mayhem

Marketing maven Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web, diving headfirst into the audacious art of brand disruption in a world brimming with AI-generated noise.

We unpack Schaefer’s latest book, "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World" offering wild tales of brands that drop the cookie-cutter for shock, spectacle, and seriously weird TikToks (lookin’ at you, Nutter Butter). From QR codes in the sky luring diners out of restaurants, to the marketing taboo-breakers of Liquid Death and ELF Cosmetics, we explore how marketers can stir emotion, break convention—without getting canceled—and measure the impact when you throw the box away altogether.

Pro tip? If your marketing feels safe, it’s probably boring, and AI will eat your lunch. Mark serves up a snappy checklist for dodging legal snooze-fests and making campaigns people actually remember—because sometimes a little weird goes a long way.

Key Segments:

[00:02:22] The Book!

[00:07:41] Reimagining Storytelling with AI

[00:08:48] Unconventional Brand-Audience Connection Spaces

[00:14:36] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics

[00:15:55]  What Taboos are Worth Breaking

[00:25:29] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY)

[00:30:38] Unprecedented Innovation Evaluation

[00:31:52] Embracing Unconventional Marketing Opportunities

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https://businessesgrow.com/audacious/

WordPress hits play after a messy pause, but is it too little, too late for the CMS giant? Meanwhile, Google’s AI experiments are changing the rules for email marketing, local search, and desktop Discover, leaving marketers everywhere scrambling for a playbook that doesn’t exist.

Erin and SEO pro Cindy Krum break down WordPress’s mudslinging match with WP Engine and the quiet return to development, all while raising eyebrows over community trust. We check on Google’s ever-evolving SERPs—AI Overviews, the deployment of Discover on desktop, and the not-so-sneaky ways impressions and clicks are decoupling faster than you can say “zero-click search.” Added to the mix: AI’s impact on your inbox and why we might all end up living the “Dead Internet Theory.”

Is SEO on life support or just evolving (again)? We debate the rosy new journey-centric approach while side-eyeing Google’s “trust us, bro” attitude toward data transparency. Buckle up for a rapid-fire tour through the SEO wilderness—tracking AI hallucinations, local search creepiness, and why “hyper-personalization” might not sell more cannolis after all.

News from the EDGE:

[00:03:22] WordPress Unpauses Development - but is it out of time?

[00:08:05] Google Discover on Desktop

[00:12:53] AI is Making a Major Impact on Email Marketing

[00:16:57]  Title Sponsor: Site Strategics

SEO News from the EDGE:

[00:20:01] The Great Decoupling Of Google Search

[00:26:06] AI Overviews Research: How Google’s AI Answers Vary Across Five States

[00:32:07] AI and Local Search: The New Rules of Visibility

[00:37:49] Sponsor: WAIKAY from InLinks

[00:40:33] Google Search Console to Show AI Mode Performance

[00:46:01] Is SEO Still Relevant In the AI Era?

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Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web to share his vision of marketing's future in an AI-saturated landscape. With a blend of insight and candor, Mark tackles the evolution of social media, the risks and rewards of AI, and how brands can stand out by tapping into authentic human emotion. Hear why traditional marketing is falling flat and discover what “everyday awe” means for building deep brand loyalty. Plus, Mark unveils the tech twist behind the cover of his new book, Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World. This is not just another marketing chat; it’s a call to disrupt before you're disrupted.

Key Segments:

[00:04:12] Marc Schaefer: Marketing Visionary

[00:07:55] Shift to Private Online Spaces

[00:12:45] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics

[00:15:35] Innovative Tech Saves Podcast Episode

[00:17:28] AI Mimicking Voices of Deceased Relatives

[00:21:49] Brand Marketing's Emotional Impact

[00:23:25] Everyday Awe and Collective Effervescence

[00:29:41] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY)

[00:32:21] "Audacious" Book Concept Exploration

Thanks to Our Sponsors!

Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site

Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay

Follow Our Guest

Twitter: https://x.com/markwschaefer

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwschaefer/

Resources:

https://businessesgrow.com/

https://businessesgrow.com/audacious/