Welcome to another episode of Devil’s Advocate, where the only thing hotter than the debates are the takes themselves!

Hosted by Bobby and Andrew, this special installment—“Battle of the R’s”—brings together marketing pros Ryan Makris (Founder of Very Decent Marketer) and Ron Latz (Fractional CMO, LegalFenix) for a high-stakes marketing twist on our classic lawyer showdown.

This episode spins the Wheel of Misfortune and careens through a gauntlet of controversial questions, from whether sex work and marijuana should be legal, to the perils and perks of AI in personal injury law and the impact of non-lawyer ownership in the legal world. But as always, there’s a devilish twist: our guests must argue for the OPPOSITE of what they actually believe!

Expect hot debates on tough topics: Should you separate the artist from their art? Is bidding on a competitor’s name in Google Ads fair game or marketing malice?

Along the way, wild hypotheticals, laugh-out-loud analogies, and a dash of absurdity keep things entertaining. If you’re ready for sharp wit, strong opinions, and the wackiest metal band brainstorm you’ve ever heard, grab your pitchfork and join us in the courtroom from hell. Let the depravity commence!

This episode of Devil's Advocate is brought you by MeanPug, the legal marketing agency for law firms, and produced by Reignite Media.

Ryan Macris: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-makris/

Ron Latz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronlatz/

Welcome to Devil’s Advocate—a business podcast for lawyers, marketers, and mischief-makers where the arguments are unserious, the comedy’s questionable, and chaos is the business model.

In our diabolical debut episode, two brave souls—Morris Lilienthal and Erik Heninger—step into the inferno. The catch? They’ve got to debate red-hot topics with one major twist: they’re arguing the opposite of what they actually believe. Chaos? Absolutely. Comedy? Obviously. Educational? ...Debatable.

Hosted by Bobby and Andrew of MeanPug, this show throws real lawyers into fake debates with one rule: you must argue the exact opposite of what you actually believe. If that sounds ridiculous—it is. That’s the point.

Coming Up On This Premiere Episode of Devil’s Advocate by MeanPug:

Wheel of Misfortune
The debut of our brand-new legal torture device: spin the wheel, get a word, and argue your opponent’s made-up definition. This week’s word? Dravish. Fake? Definitely. Hilarious? Also yes.

Hot Topics with Cold Takes
Should sex work and marijuana be legalized? Morris and Erik trade sides, defend positions they’d never touch in real life, and somehow manage to sound almost convincing.

Mandatory Voting
Does democracy work better when you force people to show up? Both attorneys go full dystopian and full idealist—all in the same 10 minutes.

Also Debated (With Questionable Logic):

- Is the death penalty an effective deterrent?
- Are plastic straws the real villain?
- Is the medical malpractice system broken or just misunderstood?
- And should you ever settle a case when you could just trial-by-fire it?
- Football metaphors and Tesla analogies included at no extra charge.

Final Verdict?
Erik squeaks out the win (barely), Bobby and Andrew name the real MVP (the word “dravish”), and Yitz just wants someone—anyone—to stay on topic.

We Want to Hear From You
Who won your (unserious) vote? Got a spicy topic or cursed legal question you want to hear argued next? Tag us with #DevilsAdvocatePodcast or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person.

Subscribe to “Devil’s Advocate”: New episodes dropping regularly(ish). Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.

Featured Guests:

Morris Lilienthal: Martinson and Beason, P.C.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alabamacaraccidentattorney

https://www.martinsonandbeason.com/attorneys/morris-h-lilienthal

Erik Heninger: Heninger Garrison Davis LLC

https://www.hgdlawfirm.com/lawyers/erik-s-heninger

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erik-heninger-1b984b34b