In this engaging episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Jenny Ann Urban and Randy Deberry from the National Air Transportation Association (NATA). As passionate advocates for aviation businesses, Jenny and Randy share insider perspectives on the biggest challenges facing the industry today—from regulatory shifts and workforce shortages to sustainability and technological innovation.

Tune in as we explore how NATA is driving meaningful change, supporting aviation businesses, and ensuring the skies remain open and thriving for generations to come. Whether you’re an industry professional or an aviation enthusiast, this conversation offers a compelling look behind the scenes of aviation advocacy and progress.

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In the second half of our engaging conversation on Destination Aviation, we continue our deep dive with Alex Gertsen, Sr. Director of Airport Advocacy and Vertical Infrastructure at NBAA. Picking up where we left off, Alex shares more about his hands-on experience as a part-time charter captain, including the life-changing missions of organ transport and the operational realities of business aviation.

We expand the conversation into the evolving challenges and opportunities in vertical infrastructure, the role of advanced air mobility, and why protecting airport access is more critical than ever. Alex also reflects on the importance of collaboration between stakeholders, the balance between federal policy and local implementation, and what drives his personal commitment to the future of aviation. We also talk about a number of upcoming exciting general and business aviation events that Alex is involved in (Links in the show notes).

From policy to the pilot’s seat, this episode delivers insight, inspiration, and a front-row seat to the intersection of advocacy and aviation innovation.

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Destination Aviation - www.destinationaviation.org

OpenAir – www.flyopenair.com

Aero Club of Wahington – www.aeroclub.org

Mooney Summit – www.MooneySummit.com

EAA AirVenture – www.airventure.org

AAAE General Aviation Conference - https://aaae.org/generalaviation

Chicago Executive 100th Anniversary – www.chiexec.com June 27th 2026

NBAA-BACE – https://nbaa.org/events/2025-nbaa-business-aviation-convention-
exhibition-nbaa-bace/

NBAA-BACE Single-Pilot Safety Standdown - https://nbaa.org/events/2025-nbaa-single-pilot-safety-standdown/

NBAA-BACE – Military Connect – https://nbaa.org/events/2025-nbaa-business-aviation-convention-exhibition-nbaa-bace/military-connect-2025-nbaa-bace/

NBAA-BACE – Collegiate Connect - https://nbaa.org/events/2024-nbaa-business-
aviation-convention-exhibition-nbaa-bace/keynotes-sessions-events/collegiate-connect-2024-nbaa-bace/

NBAA YoPro - https://nbaa.org/professional-development/yopro/

Climbing. Fast. – www.climbingfast.com

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In this first part of a two-part conversation on Destination Aviation, we sit down with Alex Gertsen, Sr. Director of Airport Advocacy and Vertical Infrastructure at the National Business Aviation Association (NBAA). From his early career to his leadership in aviation policy, Alex has built a dynamic path that blends high-level advocacy efforts on the ground with in-the-air experience and exposure to business aviation flying, and being a part time charter captain transporting people and being involved in organ transport operations.

We dive into his work supporting airports and vertical infrastructure - protecting access to airports and elevating runway and surface safety. Plus, we talk about the importance of the work aviation associations do in Washington, DC, some of the current issues facing our industry, the collaboration in the aviation community, and what fuels Alex’s passion for progress.

Whether you're a pilot, airport advocate, or just aviation-curious, this episode offers a unique look at how policy and purpose take flight.

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In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Derek Martin, Executive Director of Erie International Airport, to explore his unique path through the world of aviation. From chasing pucks on the ice to managing one of Pennsylvania’s key regional airports, Derek shares how his passion for hockey shaped his leadership style and career. Tune in for stories of teamwork, turbulence, and the smooth landings that brought him to where he is today.

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When flying at altitude, oxygen isn’t just optional—it’s essential. In this episode of Destination Aviation, we explore the silent, often misunderstood threat of hypoxia—a condition that can render pilots incapacitated in minutes, sometimes without warning.

We’ll examine several aviation accidents where hypoxia played a role, including the tragic 1999 Learjet crash that claimed the life of professional golfer Payne Stewart. That flight, which flew on autopilot for hours before crashing in South Dakota, is one of the most chilling examples of how quickly things can go wrong when oxygen is lost in the cockpit.

Join host Jeff Miller as he breaks down what hypoxia is, how it affects pilots, and the lessons every aviator—student or seasoned—needs to know. Whether you're in the left seat or just love aviation stories, this is one you won't want to miss.

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In this episode of Destination Aviation, we sit down with Julie Curtis of South Bend International Airport for a candid and engaging conversation about her journey into the aviation industry. Julie shares how she found her way into airport leadership, the ins and outs of air service development at SBN, and the strategies behind attracting and maintaining airline routes in a competitive market. Along the way, we swap stories, reflect on career lessons, and share a few laughs. Whether you're in aviation or just love a good origin story, this episode will leave you inspired by the work happening on the ground—and in the air—at South Bend.

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In this episode of Destination Aviation, I sit down for a lively and insightful conversation with Patrick Carreno, the Director of the Dallas Airport System—which includes Dallas Love Field, Dallas Executive Airport, and the Dallas Vertiport. Over the course of an hour, we talk about his lifelong passion for aviation, his path to leadership, and what it takes to oversee one of the busiest and most dynamic mid-size hub airport systems in the country.

From industry trends to operational challenges, Patrick offers invaluable insights into the present and future of air travel. Along the way, we share some laughs, dive into his leadership philosophy, and explore the role airports play in shaping regional growth and innovation—especially with new technologies like urban air mobility.

Whether you're a seasoned aviation professional or just love learning about how airports work behind the scenes, this episode is packed with stories, wisdom, and a whole lot of heart.

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With recent aviation incidents making headlines, it's natural to wonder—just how safe is flying today? In this episode of Destination Aviation, we dive deep into the data and the real-world systems that keep our skies secure. From air traffic control and airport operations to general and commercial aviation, we break down the facts, explore the risks, and examine the stories that have caught public attention. Before drawing any conclusions, join me for a thoughtful look at where aviation safety stands today—you might be surprised by what you learn.

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