In this episode of Complex Kids, Simple Solutions, Michelle sits down with Jenna Rowe, board-certified music therapist (MT-BC) at Small Talk OC—and one of Drake’s favorite providers. With warmth, insight, and a little melody, Jenna shares how music therapy opens up new ways for complex kids to express themselves, regulate emotions, and build confidence.

Jenna explains how music therapy differs from music lessons, why songs are so effective for language development, and how families can integrate music into everyday life to support their child’s progress. From co-treating with SLPs to creating personalized “social songbooks,” this episode is packed with real-life stories and actionable takeaways.

Whether your child is preverbal, navigating behavioral challenges, or just lights up with music—this conversation is a beautiful reminder of how powerful and healing music can be.

👤 About the Guest

Jenna Rowe is a board-certified music therapist (MT-BC) with a degree in Music Therapy from the University of Kansas. At Small Talk OC, she collaborates with speech-language pathologists to support children with developmental, behavioral, and neurological differences. Jenna has clinical experience in intellectual and developmental disabilities, apraxia, cerebral palsy, TBI, hospice care, and more. She provides adapted music lessons for voice, piano, guitar, ukulele, and percussion, and is trained in the Nordoff-Robbins approach. Her mission is to use music as a bridge to connection, growth, and joyful expression.

🔗 Connect with Jenna
Website: www.smalltalkoc.com
Email: jenna@smalltalkoc.com

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In this episode of Complex Kids, Simple Solutions, Michelle sits down with Jesseca Perez, a pediatric speech-language pathologist who brings a refreshing, neurodiversity-affirming approach to communication. Jesseca is not only a dedicated SLP at Small Talk OC—she's also one of Drake’s therapists, making this conversation especially personal.

Together, they explore what authentic speech therapy looks like when sensory needs are honored, communication is viewed as more than just words, and connection leads the way. Jesseca breaks down what parents should look for in a provider, how to build a collaborative team, and why supporting regulation is the first step toward meaningful language development.

From movement-based sessions to practical strategies parents can start today, this is a must-listen for anyone navigating speech therapy with a complex kid.

👤 About the Guest
Jesseca Perez is the Lead Speech-Language Pathologist and Assistant Clinical Director at Small Talk OC, a neurodiversity-affirming private practice in Newport Beach, CA. She specializes in working with autistic children ages 2 through school age and is trained in gestalt language processing, sensory integration, and AAC. Jesseca is passionate about building connection through communication and empowering families to embrace their child’s strengths.

🔗 Connect with Jesseca
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessecaperezslp
Email: jcperezslp@gmail.com

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In this powerful episode of Complex Kids, Simple Solutions, Michelle talks with Elissa Green Kaustinen, the director of the FAST program at CHOC’s Thompson Autism and Neurodevelopmental Center—and a former school psychologist and special education administrator—about a groundbreaking collaboration between families and law enforcement.

Elissa shares how a local partnership with Irvine PD led to post-certified autism trainings for police officers and the development of sensory support bags now carried in patrol cars and ambulances. These tools, designed to reduce stress and increase understanding during emergency interactions, are changing the game for families of neurodivergent kids.

From real-life bodycam footage to nationwide efforts in Arkansas, Elissa explains how her team is influencing first responder training across the country—and what families can do right now to prepare for the unexpected. Plus, Michelle opens up about her own personal experience navigating a police call involving her son, Drake.

This is a must-listen for any parent of a complex kid who’s ever asked, “What if this happens to us?”

👤 About the Guest
Elissa Green Kaustinen is the director of the Families, Agencies, and Schools Together (FAST) program at the Thompson Autism and Neurodevelopmental Center at CHOC. She has over 17 years of experience in public education, serving as both a school psychologist and a special education administrator. Elissa is passionate about inclusive practices, IEP development, and bridging the gap between systems to better support neurodivergent children and their families.

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