Cassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972) joins us for a raw and resonant conversation about what it means to carry deep emotional weight while moving gently through the world. Cass, a high-energy and incredibly polite Nine, opens up about surviving childhood abuse, navigating a turbulent past marriage, and understanding the complex aspects of her unique Enneagram type with precision. We explore the paradox of a Nine who feels “too much” in a world that asks her to be less — the push-pull of wanting to merge without disappearing, of protecting others without burning out. Cass’s Enneagram journey (including strong 7 and 2 fixes) becomes a map for understanding her deep instincts to nurture, accommodate, and endure — even at great personal cost. Cass’s episode is an expression of what it means to hold both ferocity and fragility — and to choose growth anyway.


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

03:17 - Looking at the typing as a whole - 9w8 7w8 2w3 - how the fixes ‘give energy’ to the 9 core. Interpersonal positioning, reacting to and processing early trauma, not presenting the ‘real me’.

11:35 - Being triple positive, each type doesn’t want sadness. Rejection in type cuts off irritants.

16:56 - Divorce, talking about trauma with a fun ‘poppy’ energy, nature versus nurture and resiliency levels in type. (intro clip around 15:00)

22:19 - Body center ‘testing’ its own strength after past trauma, reflecting on 8’s influence on self-judgement, fluctuating between personal emotional control and porousness.

37:16 - Boondock Saints, religion, and past relationships

46:12 - 6 versus 9w8 relationship history and dynamic, 7s aversion to controlling others, speaking truth

55:11 - ‘putting on’ the bad bitch energy, taking on motherhood having mama bear energy, 9’s endurance

59:10 - understanding 2 energy, 2 fix glorified in christian culture, 9w8 sensitivity to being ‘too much’

1:17:12 - positive fantasy, parenting with rejection influences, contradicting parts of type creating inner narratives

1:26:50 - dazzling therapists without getting to the heart, self-soothing obsessions, coming to a close


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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