In this episode of Full of Words, Sue Kennedy and CJ welcome debut Australian author Madeline Cleary to discuss her new historical novel, The Butterfly Women. Inspired by the remarkable true story of her great-great-grandmother, Madeline shares how a family discovery led to a richly detailed novel set in 19th-century Melbourne.

Together, they explore the craft of historical storytelling, the challenges of writing with authenticity and respect for complex histories, and the balancing act of weaving multiple character perspectives into a cohesive narrative. Madeline also opens up about her writing journey, the realities of working with publishers, and the deeper connections uncovered through honoring the untold stories of women.

If you love conversations about words, history, resilience, and the human spirit, this episode offers thoughtful insights—and a glimpse at Madeline’s exciting future projects.

The Butterfly Women is out now. Don’t miss Madeline’s insights into crafting history with heart—and hear why her next novel will return to gold rush-era Australia.

Highlights:

• (00:32) – How a surprising family discovery sparked the story behind The Butterfly Women.
• (01:35) – Why Madeline refused to change key characters—despite early publishing advice.
• (05:18) – What it’s like working with an editor who respects your voice—and challenges it.
• (08:46) – Walking the streets of historic Melbourne to uncover hidden pieces of the past.
• (11:07) – Why starting over mid-book can sometimes be the best writing decision you make.
• (14:51) – The unexpected twist that turned The Butterfly Women into a mystery novel.
• (16:20) – The delicate line between historical accuracy and modern-day sensitivity.
• (20:24) – A glimpse into Madeline’s next novel—and the fierce women who inspired it.
• (25:52) – How sharing hidden family stories created a bond across generations.
• (31:05) – The overlooked strength and creativity of women in the 19th century.
• (33:40) – One simple writing habit that helped Madeline stay consistent and inspired.
  
  

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