Why do so many couples argue about dishes, laundry, or chores—but avoid talking about the deeper stuff? In this powerful and honest episode, hosts Joe Massi & Bob Bain sits down with licensed clinical social worker and Clinical Director of Awake Therapy, Jourdan Travers, to explore what’s really going on beneath the surface in modern relationships.

Together, they dive into the concept of weaponized incompetence, how it manifests in subtle and damaging ways, and why these surface-level frustrations are often stand-ins for emotional disconnection, fear, or unspoken trauma. The conversation opens up critical insights into emotional safety, communication breakdowns, and the patterns many of us unconsciously repeat based on our childhood experiences.

Jourdan also shares the mission behind Awake Therapy and how her second platform, TherapyTips.org, is helping make therapy education more accessible for everyone. This episode is for anyone who’s ever felt unheard in a relationship, wondered why the same argument keeps coming back, or wants to become more self-aware and emotionally present in their partnerships.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

• How couples use surface arguments to avoid difficult emotional conversations

• The meaning and impact of weaponized incompetence in both men and women

• Why therapy isn’t about blame, but about growth and perspective

• How to introduce new emotional “choreography” into stuck relationship dynamics

• Why it’s not your partner’s job to make you happy—and what to do instead

• How emotional safety, not control, creates space for connection

• The importance of addressing “the elephant in the room”

About Our Guest:
Jourdan Travers, LCSW, is the Clinical Director of Awake Therapy and the founder of Therapy Tips. She specializes in helping individuals and couples work through emotional trauma, relationship patterns, and mental health struggles by fostering vulnerability, self-awareness, and empowerment.

If you’ve ever asked yourself, “Why are we really fighting?” or “How can I show up better in my relationship?”—this episode is for you.